accident 22.12.1943 Regensburg
 

On 22.12.1943 had Jolf Bielefeld from FlüG1 an accident in Regensburg with Fw 190, V_+UT, with 35% damage.

Is there known from GQM: a.) the complete sign, W.Nr. and/or the squadron of the pilot?

Many thanks in advance
Rasmussen

Re: accident 22.12.1943 Regensburg
 

Hello Rasmussen,

Probably, you got already the data...

Wn is 160476 corrected to 160475 a G-3, VG+US, 476 is UT, do you hv a picture ??
But 160477 is already VL+ZA

I send you a message for more data

Rémi

Re: accident 22.12.1943 Regensburg
 

Excuse my curiosity :)

But why was a Fw 190 being ferried to/from Regensburg?
Was it just some kind of stop over?

Cheers
Stig

PS: Was the pilots first name really Jolf? To me Rolf sounds more likely, but I am no expert on German given names. Typo?

Re: accident 22.12.1943 Regensburg
 

@Stig
I'd say it was an stop over. The a/c was flown from Marienburg to Großenhain and from there to Regensburg where it landed in a small gravel pit (35 %).

On the copy of the second logbook was written "Jolf" (IIRC). It's an very rarely first name but he exist.


@RT
Thanks for your kind answer, very helpful. Is the unit mentioned?

In the logbook is clear to read "...+UT" not "...+US".

Greetings
Rasmussen

Re: accident 22.12.1943 Regensburg
 

Name is Jolf, no doubt, well known, Einflieger/Überführer pilot, fame coming from the fact we hv lot of his Log-books, probably he stopped in Regensburg, in route to Italy where most probably the plane would hv been delivered to SG4, lot of losses on the 1604xx range in 1944 with this unit , occassionaly one or two G-3 found their way in the fighter units

Rémi

Re: accident 22.12.1943 Regensburg
 

I know about the STKZ, only in the GQM return 476 is filled, nd later manually changed to 475, ...
Unit, but no Staffel given, Fl.üG1, usually they transit in Erding, so Bielefeld flew till Erding, nd then an other pilots of the OBS deliver planes to front units.

In january 44, VG+UR/UV/UZ were flown to Viterbo, with multiple stops in Italy, Piacenza,Vicenza, Osoppo,...dont know why about all these stops, tactical, ???

Rémi

Hv you seen may message??

Re: accident 22.12.1943 Regensburg
 

No spurs found later for these two, UT/476 or US/475

Rémi

Re: accident 22.12.1943 Regensburg
 

Thanks Guys

Figures it was a stop over.
Jolf? My, my... Must admit you could knock me over with a feather :)
Never come across that name before.

Cheers
Stig

Re: accident 22.12.1943 Regensburg
 

http://www.metallbau.com/nordenham/j...f-1409342.html
...could be the son. You never learn enough, Stig ;)
Interesting would be the exact landing ground of "Jolf":
Regensburg-Prüfening or
Regensburg-Obertraubling
Prüfening imo would point to a more private character of his stop (maybe christmas-shopping for his girlfriend in Italy ;)), because airfield and production site (rather close to the city) were destroyed in summer '43. Obertraubling would be the new Messerschmitt production site but completely in the outskirts of Regensburg.
Any differentiation in the Flugbuch?

Regards
RolandF

Re: accident 22.12.1943 Regensburg
 

He, he Roland :)

Yes I admit you are ever so right. I did a rather rudimentary Google search and basically came up with nothing, so Jolf must indeed be a very rare name even in Germany. Son? Who knows....

Thanks also for bringing in the human touch in the midst of our 'number game'. Never forget there always is a very basic human background to us all, regardless of experiences....

Cheers
Stig