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Xerumbe 19th May 2016 00:12

Flying accident, France, 1943.
 
Hello,

on a police report I have read the story of an accident between two aircraft in flight (75 km NE of Lyon, France). It happens in october 1943. The planes were identified by 2 letters and a number.

First: NV N°4
Second: NV N° 045

Each is a single engine. 1 pilot died, 1 was injured.

Do you have an idea of the type of aircraft and the unit ?

Thanx.

Matti Salonen 19th May 2016 07:22

Re: Flying accident, France, 1943.
 
1943-10-24, 1./Schl.G 101, Ju 87 A-1, 45, 6 km südwestlich Massieux, nördlich Lyon
Flugzeugführer Ogfr Gaiser, Robert, verletzt
Zusammenstoß um 11.30 Uhr in der Luft mit Ju 87 A-1, Werk.-Nr. 0004. Bruch 85 %.
1943-10-24, 3./Schl.G 101, Ju 87 A-1, 4, 6 km südwestlich Massieux, nördlich Lyon
Flugzeugführer Uffz Brehmer, August, +
Zusammenstoß um 11.30 Uhr in der Luft mit Ju 87 A-1, Werk.-Nr. 0945. Bruch 90 %.

Matti

Xerumbe 19th May 2016 10:04

Re: Flying accident, France, 1943.
 
A big thank you to you Matti !

Just another question : I./SG 101 is supposed to fly with Ar 96, Fw 190 & 129 Hs. Ju 87 are involved in accident , why?

Matti Salonen 19th May 2016 12:11

Re: Flying accident, France, 1943.
 
I don't know.

Matti

Chris Goss 19th May 2016 12:24

Re: Flying accident, France, 1943.
 
Most impressed Matti with how you found this. As to why they were flying Ju 87s, surely the answer is they were as two collided!

Stig Jarlevik 19th May 2016 12:43

Re: Flying accident, France, 1943.
 
Is it just me who find WNr 0945 to be an odd one?

The Ju 87 A production was quite small and I have the following ranges
WNr 870001 to appx 870200 (some sources state 870188 and up were B-models)
WNr 875000 to appx 875078 (some sources state 875070 and up were B models)

So where does this 0945 fit into the picture? Was there a third production range I know nothing about? Is it possible 0945 was not an A model at all, perhaps not even a Ju 87?

Cheers
Stig

Matti Salonen 19th May 2016 13:39

Re: Flying accident, France, 1943.
 
Sorry, finger trouble. Of course it was 0045. 0 and 9 are too close each other in the keyboard.

Matti

Xerumbe 19th May 2016 14:01

Re: Flying accident, France, 1943.
 
Very relevant Chris :)

I have an interesting event to submit. Robert Vanson, in "Des Stukas à Hyères" (1964, Journal Municipal de la Ville d'Hyères), explained that the Stukas of Hyères School were given gradually to SG 101 from September 1943. The accident probably took place during the transit of a group of these aircrafts.

Stig Jarlevik 19th May 2016 14:46

Re: Flying accident, France, 1943.
 
He, he Matti :)

Never thought of that :o
Always thought you did some copy and paste from your archives. Now I know better!

Anyway we all have had finger trouble in our lives....
Thanks for the correction....now I can relax again....

Cheers
Stig


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