Hurricane 17 Sqd 19 may 1940
 

Hi,

i'm searching for more info about one Hurricane damaged on 19 may 1940
i know 17 Sqn had 2 losses but nothing about this plane...only the code

Squadron: 17 Sqn
patrol: between Cambrai and Valenciennes
time: afternoon
code: YB-S
seems a combat against I.(J)/LG2 while escorting a Do 17P of 3.(F)/11

i also see a photo in the book, if you need i scan it...

the info is from page 30, Osprey Aircraft of the Aces 18 Hurricane Aces 1939-40 expanded edition

can you help me with the name of pilot, his fate and the plane serial number ...

regards

Re: Hurricane 17 Sqd 19 may 1940
 

If the details were available, Peter Cornwell would have included it in Battle of France T&N. With what was going on at that time, many records were not included or lost and Peter would be the first to agree with this

Re: Hurricane 17 Sqd 19 may 1940
 

Hello,
17 Sqdn May 1940
11th
N2407-YB-N - P/O Hulton-Harrop - POW
N2547 -S/L Tomlinson - Evaded
N2403 - F/L Donne - KIA
P2758- Sgt Luck - Pow
13th
N2454
14th
N2397
17th
P3277 - S/L Tomlinson - Injured/Safe
P2822 - F/O Lines - Safe
19th
N2408 - P/O Harris - KIA
N2525 - Sgt Pavey - POW
26th
P3483 - F/Sgt Jones - KIA
????? - F/Lt Adye KIA

Alex

Re: Hurricane 17 Sqd 19 may 1940
 

Hi,

thanks for your response,
i have:

11/05/1940: Fighter Patrol, NL

At 17.00 hrs No. 17 Sqdn. claimed three Me 109's (by S/L G.C. Tomlinson, Sgt A.F. Pavey and F/O R.V. Meredith) and two Hs126's (by F/O J. Jeffries and Sgt N.R. Wynn) destroyed, in Rotterdam/Delft/The Hague area.
Type: Hurricane Mk 1
Serial number: N2405, YB-Y
Operation: Patrol Den Haag – Delft – Rotterdam
Lost: 11/05/1940
Flying Officer (pilot) George W. Slee, RAF 40149, 17 Sqdn., age 27, 11/05/1940, 's Gravendeel (Kerkstraat) General Cemetery, NL
Shot down by Bf109s of I./JG51 over ‘s-Gravendeel 5.00 p.m.

Type: Hurricane Mk 1
Serial number: N2403, YB-?
Operation: Patrol Den Haag – Delft – Rotterdam
Lost: 11/05/1940
Flight Lieutenant (Pilot) Michael S. Donne, RAF 33186, 17 Sqdn., age 23, 11/05/1940, Numansdorp Protestant Cemetery, NL
Shot down by Bf109s over Numansdorp 5.00 p.m. Possibly one of those claimed by Oberlt Krafft of 3./JG51

Type: Hurricane Mk 1
Serial number: N2407, YB-N
Operation: Patrol Den Haag – Delft – Rotterdam
Lost: 11/05/1940
P/O O.P. DeL Hulton-Harrop
Shot down south of Rotterdam by Me 109 of JG51 at 17.00 hrs, possibly by Lt Terry of Stab I./JG51. He bailed out near Dordrecht and was taken PoW.

Type: Hurricane Mk 1
Serial number: N2547, YB-?
Operation: Patrol Den Haag – Delft – Rotterdam
Lost: 11/05/1940
S/L George C. Tomlinson, RAF 05214 - safe
Forced-landed at Hingene damaged by Bf109s south of Rotterdam 5.00 p.m. Possibly that claimed by Oberlt Schäfer of 5./JG27. S/L G. C. Tomlinson unhurt. Aircraft abandoned. Pilot returned to the UK.

Type: Hurricane Mk 1
Serial number: P2758, YB-?
Operation: Patrol Den Haag – Delft – Rotterdam
Lost: 11/05/1940
Sgt. J.A.A. Luck, RAF 524114
Shot down by Bf109s in combat over Dordrecht 5.00 p.m. Possibly that claimed by Uffz Schreiter of 3./JG51. Sgt. J.A.A. Luck captured. He was held in Camp 357, Prisoner Number 4116

Sources: CWGC; War over Holland; Air Force PoWs 1939 to 1945; Norman L.R. Franks, Fighter Command Losses, Vol 1, 1939-1941, Second edition, Midland, 2008

13/05/1940, ?
Hurricanes N3403, N2454, N2405 and N2407 all lost or abandoned on this date.

Source: Norman L.R. Franks, Fighter Command Losses, Vol 1, 1939-1941, Second edition, Midland, 2008

17/05/1940, Brussels, B

No. 17 Sqdn. attacks at 17.00 hrs a formation of Ju87's near Brussels and claims five destroyed enemy a/c.
Pilots: S/L G.C. Tomlinson, F/O R.V. Meredith, P/O K. Manger, P/O R.C. Whittaker and F/O A.P. Lines.

Type: Hurricane Mk 1
Serial number: P3277, YB-?
Operation: Patrol
Lost: 17/05/1940
S/L G.C. Tomlinson - safe
Force-landed 16.30 hrs SE of Brussels after combat with Ju 87's of IV(S)/LG1 and set on fire. Pilot slightly injured.
Type: Hurricane Mk 1
Serial number: P2822, YB-?
Operation: Patrol
Lost: 17/05/1940
F/O A.P. Lines - safe
Bailed out after a combat with Me 109s of 8/JG26, south of Brussels.

Sources: Norman L.R. Franks, Fighter Command Losses, Vol 1, 1939-1941, Second edition, Midland, 2008; Fighter Command Air Combat Claims 1939-1945

18/05/1940, Seclin, F

Harold 'Birdie' Bird-Wilson, F/L W.A. Toyne and F/L C.F.G. Adye shared in the destruction of a Do 17, SE of Seclin, 16.25 hrs. At the same time P/O K. Manger and P/O W.J. Harper shared in the destruction of a Me110.

Sources: CWGC; War over Holland; Air Force PoWs 1939 to 1945; Norman L.R. Franks, Fighter Command Losses, Vol 1, 1939-1941, Second edition, Midland, 2008; Fighter Command Air Combat Claims 1939-1945



19/05/1940: ?, F

Harold 'Birdie' Bird-Wilson damaged a Bf 109.
Type: Hurricane Mk 1
Serial number: N2408, YB-?
Operation: ?
Lost: 19/05/1940
Pilot Officer (Pilot) Robert E. Harris, RAF 33449, age 22,19/05/1940, Noyelles-sur-Selle Communal Cemetery, F
Shot down by Me 109 of LG2 near Le Cateau, 16.20 hrs.

Type: Hurricane Mk 1
Serial number: N2525, YB-?
Operation: ?
Lost: 19/05/1940
Sgt A.F. Pavey - POW
Shot down by Me 109 of LG2 and baled out near Cambrai.

Sources: CWGC; Norman L.R. Franks, Fighter Command Losses, Vol 1, 1939-1941, Second edition, Midland, 2008; Fighter Command Air Combat Claims 1939-1945

21/05/1940: ?, F

Harold 'Birdie' Bird-Wilson shared a Hs 126 (or 123?) destroyed.

25/05/1940: ?, F

Harold 'Birdie' Bird-Wilson damaged a Ju 87.


26/05/1940: Dunkirk patrol, F

Harold 'Birdie' Bird-Wilson shared a Ju 88 destroyed when patrolling the Dunkirk area.
Type: Hurricane Mk 1
Serial number: P3483, YB-?
Operation: Dunkirk patrol, F
Lost: 26/05/1940
Flight Lieutenant Capel F.G. Adye, RAF 28173 (Canada), 17 Sqdn., age unknown, 26/05/1940, missing.
Shot down by Me 109's over the Channel. He managed to bail out, but probably drowned.

Type: Hurricane Mk 1
Serial number: N2528, YB-?
Operation: Dunkirk patrol, F
Lost: 26/05/1940
Flight Sergeant William T. Jones, RAF 590275, 17 Sqdn., age 27, 26/05/1940, missing
In combat with Do 17's and Me 110's.

Sources: CWCG, Norman L.R. Franks, Fighter Command Losses, Vol 1, 1939-1941, Second edition, Midland, 2008; Fighter Command Air Combat Claims 1939-1945


29/05/1940: Dunkirk patrol, F

Type: Hurricane Mk 1
Serial number: ?, YB-?
Operation: Dunkirk patrol, F
Lost: 29/05/1940
P/O D.W.H. Hanson - slightly wounded
Fight with Me 110's over France. Shell splinters right leg.

Source: Norman L.R. Franks, Fighter Command Losses, Vol 1, 1939-1941, Second edition, Midland, 2008



taken from:
http://www.epibreren.com/ww2/raf/17_squadron.html#1905

regards

Re: Hurricane 17 Sqd 19 may 1940
 

Hi,

i add the time when the battle begins:

Sunday 19 May 1940. Hurricanes from 17 and 607 Squadrons, including that of
Morley Fidler, were patrolling the skies above Cambrai. At 1600 hours they
encountered a Dornier bomber with an escort of Messerschmitts. In the ensuing
air battle, Morley Fidler was shot in the head and baled out.
Unable to open his parachute, Morley Fidler fell into a field on the outskirts of
Bachy. His body was hastily buried where he fell, by a party of passing British
soldiers. His Hurricane aircraft crashed some distance away.

from
http://greatayton.wdfiles.com/local-...WW2-Fidler.pdf
dedicated to GEORGE MORLEY FIDLER

regards

Re: Hurricane 17 Sqd 19 may 1940
 

Hi,

many thanks for your help,

without more info, it can be closed.......

kind regards