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edwest 16th April 2006 07:23

Photos 4-15
 
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Usual disclaimer,
Ed

edwest 16th April 2006 08:04

Re: Photos 4-15
 
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Ed

Modeldad 16th April 2006 19:56

Re: Photos 4-15
 
Questions about some of the pix.

This late model 109D (if that is what it is) appears to be in grays, not the 70/71 or single green that would be aprropriate.
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Also this 110 appears to have only two guns under the nose, no upper nose armamant. Perhaps a recce aircrat?

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Don Pearson 16th April 2006 20:53

Re: Photos 4-15
 
Would this aircraft more than likely belong to I./ LG 2

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Don

Hohentwiel 17th April 2006 01:44

Re: Photos 4-15
 
Hello,

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Unit, date and the pilot who shot this a/c?

Thank you very much,
Sven.

Tony Kambic 17th April 2006 03:36

Re: Photos 4-15
 
On the downed B-17, not sure as number is difficult to read but here's one possibility:

B-17F 42-3190 (94th BG, 333rd BS) shot down over France by fighters Jul 14, 1943. MACR 114

George Hopp 17th April 2006 07:17

Re: Photos 4-15
 
Hi Modeldad,
The 110G went through about 4 changes in its upper nose. The initial version was the streamlined fairing (around the air intake as in the 2nd photo you list) with 4 MG 17s. The 2nd version is what you have in that 2nd photo, ie, without the upper nose MG 17s. The 3rd version, has the squarish air intake fairing built for the installation of two MK 108 cannon (centre photo on p. 175 of "Zerstoerers, Vol. 2" by John Vasco) but without the MK 108s installed. And lastly, is the Version 3 but with the MK 108s installed. Now, unofficially, some 110Gs also had the MG 151/20s installed in the upper nose, which I guess you could call a 5th version.

Recce versions would have the cannon in the lower nose removed to make room for the camera in the centre cockpit, and would keep their upper nose weapons.

All the best,
George

Modeldad 17th April 2006 15:47

Re: Photos 4-15
 
George, thank you.

Rabe Anton 17th April 2006 16:15

Re: Photos 4-15
 
Gruß Gott ModelVati!

No need to suffer bepuzzlement over the upper surface paint scheme on
Bf 109B/C/D WNr. 544, B V + E S or R V + E S (references not to hand to know if 544 was a Bertha, Caesar, or Dora; strongly suspect a Bertha). This is simply an early (and obsolete) Bf 109 that survived to serve in a training or noncombat establishment (note the decidedly noncombat aircraft in the background) in 1940 and later. A great many—probably all—such retired survivors received a repaint in due course, possibly after a mishap, possibly not.

RA

Primoz 17th April 2006 17:10

Re: Photos 4-15
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rabe Anton
Gruß Gott ModelVati!

No need to suffer bepuzzlement over the upper surface paint scheme on
Bf 109B/C/D WNr. 544, B V + E S or R V + E S (references not to hand to know if 544 was a Bertha, Caesar, or Dora; strongly suspect a Bertha). This is simply an early (and obsolete) Bf 109 that survived to serve in a training or noncombat establishment (note the decidedly noncombat aircraft in the background) in 1940 and later. A great many—probably all—such retired survivors received a repaint in due course, possibly after a mishap, possibly not.

RA

You're right. It also has different exhaust stacks (not unlike those of the Bf 109E) - like many other Jumo-engined 109s used as trainers.


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