Battle for Kiev 1943: VVS order of battle
 

I am currently working on a OOB for my "planetable for Il-2", which is available on my homepage.

Latest results are, that the 2nd AirArmy participated in this battle, with the following units under its command:

• 5.ShAK (4.GShAD, 264.ShAD),
• 5.IAK(8.GIAD, 256IAD),
• 10.IAK (10.GIAD, 235IAD),
• 202 BAD,
• 227,291ShAD,
• 208NBAD,
• 50RAP

Who can contribute informations about

• additional units
• subordinated units (IAP's, ShAP's etc) and
• the planetypes used (especially fighters, I suspect there were even P40's)
• AF's used (afaik, they had only AF's far away from Kiew)

Thanks and have a nice weekend!

Re: Battle for Kiev 1943: VVS order of battle
 

Hi,

This site contains a VVS orbat for the battle of kursk. It maybe of some help.

http://www.lesbutler.ip3.co.uk/tony/pawel/index.html

Henry Weyers

Re: Battle for Kiev 1943: VVS order of battle
 

256. IAD included 728. IAP (Woroshejkin Commander: Wassilewski) and most problaby 91. IAP Commander Major Romanenko (was killed by own aaa in 1943, maybe before battle of kiev)

Re: Battle for Kiev 1943: VVS order of battle
 

Thanks for the link !
some interesting stuff there.

Re: Battle for Kiev 1943: VVS order of battle
 

This is just an update of teh first mail (thanks for the input, Henry!):

Latest results are, that the 2nd AirArmy participated in this battle, with the following units under its command:

• 5.ShAK (4.GShAD, 264.ShAD), eq.Il-2 :rolleyes:
• 5.IAK:
  8.GIAD: 620.IAP?, 40.GIAP, 41.GIAP, 88.GIAP eq. (La5)
  256IAD: 728IAP eq. Jak-7B, 91IAP eq. Jak-1, 32.IAP
• 10.IAK
  10.GIAD: ?
  235IAD: 3GIAP&181IAP eq.La5, 239IAP
  201IAD (?): 13&437IAP eq.La5FN, 236IAP (Jak1)
• 202 BAD: ?
• 227,291ShAD, eq.Il-2 :rolleyes:
• 208NBAD, eq. Po-2 :rolleyes:
• 50RAP: ?

Who can contribute more informations about

• additional units
• subordinated units (IAP's, ShAP's etc) and
• the planetypes used (especially fighters, I suspect there were even P40's)
• AF's used (afaik, they had only AF's far away from Kiew)

Thanks!

Re: Battle for Kiev 1943: VVS order of battle
 

32. IAP most probably Yak-7B and possible Yak-9, but not Yak-1.

Re: Battle for Kiev 1943: VVS order of battle
 

40. and 41. GIAP La-5 or La-5F.

Re: Battle for Kiev 1943: VVS order of battle
 

Thanks! Jens, is it possible that we know each other ;) ?

Re: Battle for Kiev 1943: VVS order of battle
 

There is this site:

http://allaces.ru/cgi-bin/s2.cgi/sssr/struct/p.dat

It is in Russian. (I use www.online-translator.com to convert to English) Each entry gives a brief summary of regiments, divisions, etc. of the VVS. There is a lot of data to sift through.

Henry

Re: Battle for Kiev 1943: VVS order of battle
 

Some clerifying moments.

10 GIAD is the same as 201 IAD.
Regiments were promoted in the following order:
13 IAP - 111 GIAP (La-5)
236 IAP - 112 GIAP (Yak-1)
437 IAP - 113 GIAP (La-5)
No 620 IAP could be found in 8 GIAD neither during the Kiev battle, nor at other orders for battles. 927 IAP (La-5) was shortly assigned to 8 GIAD first for the Kursk battle and second time during battle for the Dnieper crossings and Kiev in september-october 1943.