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steve sheridan 18th June 2017 12:28

8/St.G77 mid air collision 19.10.40 Occagnes.
 
Hi, on this day two Junkers 87 dive bombers collided and crashed at Occagnes,
N.West of France. Both crews perished, would somebody have the names of the crew.
I'm also trying to establish the forename of Oblt.Schmidt of 3/St.G.77 sept- Oct
1940. Could it be Otto, later Gruppe Adj. III/St.G.77 Feb 1941?

Best regs,
Steve.

Matti Salonen 18th June 2017 13:42

Re: 8/St.G77 mid air collision 19.10.40 Occagnes.
 
1940-10-19, 8./St.G 77, Ju 87 B-2, 5617, Bei Occagnes, 5 km nordwestlich Argentan
Flugzeugführer Gefr Müller, Hans-Willi, +
Bordfunker Flg Hörner, Siegfried, +
Zusammenstoß in der Luft mit Ju 87 B-2, Werk-Nr. 5628. Bruch 100 %.
1940-10-19, 8./St.G 77, Ju 87 B-2, 5628, Bei Occagnes, 5 km nordwestlich Argentan
Flugzeugführer Gefr Nowack, Bruno, +
Bordfunker Gefr Kaiser, Alois, +
Zusammenstoß in der Luft mit Ju 87 B-2, Werk-Nr. 5617. Bruch 100 %.

1940-08-18, 3./St.G 77, Ju 87 B-1, 10 km südöstlich Portsmouth
Flugzeugführer Olt Schmidt, Otto, verletzt
Bordfunker Uffz Bärsch, Gerhard, verletzt
Absturz in See infolge Feindbeschuß. Bruch 100 %. Uffz Barsch am 1940-10-02 seinen Verletzungen erlegen.

Matti

Rottler 18th June 2017 13:45

Re: 8/St.G77 mid air collision 19.10.40 Occagnes.
 
Hello Steve,

the forename was Otto, look at the database of Luftwaffe Kracker Archives.

In the accident at Occagnes were involved:

Ju 87 B-1 WNr. 5617
F Gefreiter Hans-Willi Müller
Bf Flieger Siegried Hörner

Ju 87 B-1 WNr. 5628
F Gefreiter Bruno Nowack
Bf Gefreiter Alois Kaiser

Source: Gen.Qu. loss report from Oct 20, 1940.

Regards
Leo

steve sheridan 18th June 2017 15:17

Re: 8/St.G77 mid air collision 19.10.40 Occagnes.
 
That's excellent chaps.
Thanks very much Matti and Leo.

I have a similar incident for 11.9.40 this time for I/St.G.77 regarding collisions at Curfeuilles, if you could help with these?

Beset regs,
Steve

Peter Cornwell 18th June 2017 15:22

Re: 8/St.G77 mid air collision 19.10.40 Occagnes.
 
11 September 1940 2./StG77 Junkers Ju87B-1 (5162). Crashed near Cambes-en-Plaine, 8 km north of Caen, following collision during formation practice. FF Uffz Josef Kramel and BF Gefr Hubert Schmilowsky both killed. Aircraft S2+PK 100% write-off.

11 September 1940 2./StG77 Junkers Ju87B-1 (5521). Crashed near Cambes-en-Plaine, 8 km north of Caen, following collision with Uffz Kramel during formation practice. Pilot baled out unhurt, BS Gefr Heinz Söderström killed. Aircraft S2+JK 100% write-off.

steve sheridan 18th June 2017 17:11

Re: 8/St.G77 mid air collision 19.10.40 Occagnes.
 
Thank you very much Peter, I have a third loss this day Ju.87B-2 S2+HL
W.Nr 5739 with one killed and one injured purported to be lost Curfeuilles?

Kindest regs,
Steve.

Rottler 18th June 2017 18:15

Re: 8/St.G77 mid air collision 19.10.40 Occagnes.
 
Hello Steve,

in the Gen.Qu. loss report from September, 13, 1940 No.22 is noticed:

11.9.40
3./StG 77 Curfeulles Zusammenstoß in der Luft (Besatzung abgesprungen)
Ju 87 B-2 5739 S2+HL 100% 1 killed 1 injured
Ju 87 B-2 5630 S2+FL 100%.

Regards
Leo

steve sheridan 18th June 2017 19:24

Re: 8/St.G77 mid air collision 19.10.40 Occagnes.
 
Hello Leo thanks again. I have all this information with the exception of the names of the crew killed or injured.

From a flugbuch I'm working through at present, Oblt.Otto Schmidt of 3/St.G 77
flew S2+HL only two days previously with the W.Nr 5739.
I'm progressing nicely filling in gaps in my records for this unit!
Kindest regs,
Steve.

Peter Cornwell 19th June 2017 08:58

Re: 8/St.G77 mid air collision 19.10.40 Occagnes.
 
11 September 1940 3./StG77 Junkers Ju 87B-2 (5739). Crashed at Courseulles-sur-Mer, 15 km north of Caen, following collision during formation practice 6.30 a.m. BF Gefr Walter Zedel killed, FF Uffz Georg Gschwendtner baled out badly injured - admitted to hospital in Asnelles. Aircraft S2+HL 100% write-off.

11 September 1940 3./StG77 Junkers Ju87B-2 (5630). Crashed at Courseulles-sur-Mer, 15 km north of Caen, following collision with Uffz Schwendtner during formation practice 6.30 a.m. Crew both baled out unhurt. Aircraft S2+FL 100% write-off.

steve sheridan 19th June 2017 10:47

Re: 8/St.G77 mid air collision 19.10.40 Occagnes.
 
Good morning Peter, thank you ever so much for providing the names and correct location of this incident.
Much appreciated.
Kindest regs,
Steve.


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