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stephen f. polyak 26th June 2017 03:26

Ta152 loss
 
On April 14, 1945 a Ta152 with JG301 was downed in aerial combat. The pilot, Ofw. Josef Sattler, was killed, sadly. I'm interested in learning the WNr. of that airplane and information on the military service of Josef Sattler, including the number of kills attributed to him. Thank you

DDT 26th June 2017 20:36

Re: Ta152 loss
 
Hi Stephen,

Willi Reschke's book about the history of JG 301 & 302 does not mention a WerkeNr. In the index of victories, I can find 3 victories:

1. 09/06/1944 2./JG 302 a B-24 , 10.06 hrs , München, (HSS)
2. 26/06/1944 2./JG 302 a B-24 , 09.22 hrs , Deutsch-Wagram
3. 26/06/1944 2./JG 302 a P-51 , 09.26 hrs , Deutsch-Wagram

Hope this helps, kind regards,

Dirk

Kutscha 27th June 2017 03:01

Re: Ta152 loss
 
The combat of April 14, 1945.

http://clocloz.altervista.org/histor...14-4-1945.html

Doesn't have any WNr tho.

stephen f. polyak 28th June 2017 00:38

Re: Ta152 loss
 
Hi Dirk,

Thank for your reply. The information you provided on Ofw. Sattler's air victories is exactly what I was hoping to learn.

Best regards,
Steve

Quote:

Originally Posted by DDT (Post 235490)
Hi Stephen,

Willi Reschke's book about the history of JG 301 & 302 does not mention a WerkeNr. In the index of victories, I can find 3 victories:

1. 09/06/1944 2./JG 302 a B-24 , 10.06 hrs , München, (HSS)
2. 26/06/1944 2./JG 302 a B-24 , 09.22 hrs , Deutsch-Wagram
3. 26/06/1944 2./JG 302 a P-51 , 09.26 hrs , Deutsch-Wagram

Hope this helps, kind regards,

Dirk


stephen f. polyak 28th June 2017 00:46

Re: Ta152 loss
 
Hi Kutscha,

Thank you for pointing out that link. The analysis of the events that would cost Ofw. Sattler his life is very detailed, informative. Good graphics, too.

Best regards,
Steve

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kutscha (Post 235498)
The combat of April 14, 1945.

http://clocloz.altervista.org/histor...14-4-1945.html

Doesn't have any WNr tho.


DDT 28th June 2017 13:35

Re: Ta152 loss
 
You're welcome Steve.
Dirk

stephen f. polyak 15th July 2017 04:00

Re: Ta152 loss
 
These links show a piece of the wreckage from Ofw. Sattler's downed Ta152. Including a data plate, the piece is reportedly from the fuselage.

http://www.mediafire.com/view/g4md8f...wz/Ta152-1.jpg

http://www.mediafire.com/view/qh6dta...ve/Ta152-2.jpg

The plate is marked:

8 152 k56
F 510
pk^ 0101

I would appreciate any additional information about these markings. Also, I am still hoping to learn this airplane's WNr.

Thank you,
Steve

Arado 396 15th July 2017 10:43

Re: Ta152 loss
 
Hi Steve

What information do you connect this plate with Sattler´s Ta152 ???
Very mysterious !!!

The plate is an assembly type plate from the inside of the fuselage.
With this type plate you will not get any information about the WNr.


The seller also gave not info:


---> http://www.ebay.de/itm/Wehrmacht-Luf...p2047675.l2557

---> http://www.ebay.de/itm/Wehrmacht-Luf...vip=true&rt=nc

stephen f. polyak 15th July 2017 15:01

Re: Ta152 loss
 
Hi Christoph,

Good to hear from you! Further investigation as to the source and origin of the piece connected it to that event. In this instance, as it sometimes is with such relics, trust was also a factor. There is no aircraft WNr. on either plate. So far, unfortunately, that number has not been revealed otherwise, at least that I am aware of. Perhaps in time...

With regards,
Steve

P.S. Yesterday, I replied to Frank B. I hope the photos of the piece shown here will appear on the Ta152 site. Enjoy!

Reiner 16th July 2017 14:23

Re: Ta152 loss
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kutscha (Post 235498)
The combat of April 14, 1945.

http://clocloz.altervista.org/histor...14-4-1945.html

Doesn't have any WNr tho.

Hello
I do`nt believe that Shaw shot down Sattler. The Combat report from Shaw states that he shot down a Fw190 with east course. I think, it was the Fw190 of Skupina, which crashed near Garlin. Eyewitnesses from Garlin saw a lone Fw190 with east course and two "American" fighterplanes. If Shaw know his position not exactly so he could mistook Grabow with Ludwigslust. 10km SE of the town what he means as Ludwigslust there is Garlin. For me W/O never shot down Ofw.Sattler and his Ta152.

Greetings, Rene


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