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Leendert 8th November 2017 21:00

AAF AT-7/C-45 loss - Greenland - 5 Jan 1943
 
On the top of page 10 of https://media.defense.gov/2017/Jun/2...UETAUB2011.PDF) it says an AT-7/C-45 was lost in the rescue attempts of the crew of B-17 42-5088. This B-17 came down on 9 Nov 1942 while searching for C-53 42-15569. Latter a/c had crashed on 5 Nov. 1942.

Comparable story on http://www.historynet.com/seven-down-in-greenland.htm

I wonder who can identify the AT-7/C-45 of 5 Jan 1943 in Greenland?

Thanks for any info.

Regards,

Leendert

Alex Smart 9th November 2017 05:45

Re: AAF AT-7/C-45 loss - Greenland - 5 Jan 1943
 
Hello Leendert,
The report in the second link says that 5 men died, but those were the rescuers I think(?)
The 5 men on the C53b were never found.
The Cambridge American Cemetery Tablets of the Missing has them -
BUT
Their date of death is given as 30th November,1942(?).
They were -
Captain. Homer C. McDowell Jr - O-383628
2Lt. William L.Springer - O-790099
S/Sgt. Eugene L. Manahan - 16015496.
Cpl. William W. Everett Jr - 13043466.
Cpl. Thurman Johannessen - 18057650.
The a/c was with the 29Sqn of the 8th Ferry Group.
MACR 15896 has on Fold3, only two pages, the first with the number and the second has the names.
For the other accidents perhaps Craig at AAIR could supply copies of any accident reports on the a/c involved .

Alex

Leendert 9th November 2017 12:11

Re: AAF AT-7/C-45 loss - Greenland - 5 Jan 1943
 
Alex,

Thanks, but I'm specifically after the AT-7/C-45 of 5 Jan 1943.

No record on aviationarchaeology or accident-report.com, nor a MACR.

Regards,

Leendert

Alex Smart 9th November 2017 18:22

Re: AAF AT-7/C-45 loss - Greenland - 5 Jan 1943
 
Hello Leendert,
The only one that would fit is shown in the Joe Baugher list -
AT-7B
42-43480(MSN 4222)
W/O November 28, 1943 in fatal crash, Greenland ice cap.
To excess inventory list Narsarsuak, Greenland, December 1945.

The relevant part's are "W/O", "fatal crash" and "Narsarsuak, Greenland".

Alex

RSwank 9th November 2017 20:05

Re: AAF AT-7/C-45 loss - Greenland - 5 Jan 1943
 
Here are the details on 42-43480. I don't think that it is the correct plane.

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=95798



Nothing on this page either:

http://www.warcovers.dk/greenland/crash_list.htm

Alex Smart 10th November 2017 02:22

Re: AAF AT-7/C-45 loss - Greenland - 5 Jan 1943
 
Thanks Roland,
The date is a year out I know, but it seems to be the only fatal C45/AT7 crash noted anywhere.
I just wonder if the take off and crash date was 1942 and a typo some years later when the typed report was made the 42 became 43 ?
Otherwise the crash would fit in the time frame.
Also the crew were MIA's and date of death is given as 28th November 1943. Surly it should be 28th November 1942 ? See Captain Elmer E. Slaten O-496293 1st Resque Squadron, in AMBC.
If we take the t/o date as 20th November 42, then a/c sighted date as 20th December 42, then resque/recovery team reaching the wreck on the 28th December 42. Then maybe the crew were recovered on the 5th January, 43 ?
Date of death almost a year+ 1 day.
Alex

Leendert 10th November 2017 14:07

Re: AAF AT-7/C-45 loss - Greenland - 5 Jan 1943
 
Thanks for suggestions.

42-43480 indeed not the AT-7/C-45 involved. See http://www.warcovers.dk/greenland/crash431128.jpg with official records.

Reason of flight (also) not for search efforts of the crashed B-17.

Regards,

Leendert

Leendert 10th November 2017 14:37

Re: AAF AT-7/C-45 loss - Greenland - 5 Jan 1943
 
Found this story on http://tailspinstales.blogspot.be/20...-when-you.html (see under "Know Where You're Going When You Volunteer") pointing to the second ski-equipped AT-7 sent to Greenland for the B-17 crew rescue efforts.
Pilot was Benjamin H. Shiffrin, then with the 103rd Observation Squadron, Fort Devens, MA, but he volunteered for the Greenland mission.

This all was in late Jan 1943, so after the apparent loss of a first AT-7/C-45 on 5 Jan 1943.

Regards,

Leendert

Alex Smart 10th November 2017 21:26

Re: AAF AT-7/C-45 loss - Greenland - 5 Jan 1943
 
Hello Leendert,
Re your post 7, that was my point in my earlier post. The official document was made in 1946, see date on document.
Hence my "possible train of events" to support 42-43480 as the a/c involved.
Otherwise there must have been a third a/c ?
Alex

RSwank 11th November 2017 02:32

Re: AAF AT-7/C-45 loss - Greenland - 5 Jan 1943
 
Found another version of the story:

https://issuu.com/cityofirving/docs/spencer-greenland

I wonder if the "Missing" 5 January AT-7 was actually a confused story that was generated by the recovery of the crew of the Barkley-Grow T8P-1. They turned up on 2 January 1943 after they went missing on 22 December 1942. (Their plane actually looks like a Beechcraft AT-7. )

Here is a little on the Barkley-Grow.

http://www.warcovers.dk/greenland/crash221242.htm


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