II/JG3 losses 3 October 1943
Can anyone give me details of this units losses on 3 October. According to FCWD they encountered Ramrod 257 and engaged the Hornchurch Wing.
regards Keith |
Re: II/JG3 losses 3 October 1943
Good question. Here is what is in the corresponding Jagdfliegerverbände book by Prien and co:
Claims: 5./JG 3 Hptm. Joachim Kirschner Spitfire ( 174.) 12.24 PIQu. 05 Ost S / GJ-6, westlich Zandvoort 2137 B 4./JG 3 FhjFw. Hans Frese Spitfire (43.) 12.30 PIQu. 05 Ost S / GK-8. Schiphol 2138 B 5./JG 3 Obfw. Wemer Kloß P-47 (15.) 12.36 PIQu. 05 Ost S / GJ-4/4, westl. Zandvoort 2139 B Losses Stab/JG 3 N.N. Luftkampf, Notlandung, Bovenkerk, 65% Bf 109 G-6 WNr 26017 Stab/JG 3 N.N. Luftkampf, Notlandung, Schipol, 30% Bf 109 G-6 WNr 26027 4./JG 3 N.N. Luftkampf, Notlandung, Bovenkerk, 65% Bf 109 G-6 WNr 20617 II./JG 3 N.N. Luftkampf, Absturz bei Amstelveen, FSA, 100M BF 109 G-6 WNr 19912 The first and third entries seem to be the same. The list of crashed in Netherlands have only two JG 3 aircraft that day, 26017 at Bovenkerk and 19912 at Amstelveen (the latter at 1225 hrs). So we have either 3 or 2 total losses. To confuse things a little more, the Luftwaffe losses summary database had for this day 1 aircraft destroyed and 1 damaged for Stab./JG 3 and 3 aircraft destroyed for II./JG 3, for a total of 4 destroyed. All were due to gunfire of enemy aircraft. |
Re: II/JG3 losses 3 October 1943
Hello Laurent,
this database corresponds with the Gen.Qu. loss reports for 3 October 1943. There are listed: Stab/JG 3 Feindflug Schiphol Luftkampf (F. unverletzt) Bf 109 G-6 26017 100% Feindflug Schiphol Luftkampf Bf 109 G-6 26027 30% II./JG 3 Feindflug Amstelveen Absturz nach Luftkampf (F mit Fallschirm abgesprungen, unverletzt) Bf 109 G-6 19912 100% Feindflug Bovenkerk Notlandung nach Luftkampf Bf 109 G-6 26017 65% According to JFV Vol. 10/II typo, correct is 20617 Feindflug Gelsenkirchen Absturz nach Luftkampf Bf 109 G-5 26096 100% Fw Alfred Kalitta verletzt. According to JFV Vol. 10/II: correct is loss on 4 October 1943 6./JG 3 Fw Alfred Kalitta verletzt Luftkampf, Absturz bei Geilenkirchen, 99% Bf 109 G-5 26096 gelbe 6. Regards Leo |
Re: II/JG3 losses 3 October 1943
Many thanks chaps
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Re: II/JG3 losses 3 October 1943
Thanks Leo for the detailled answer
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