Ju 88 D-1 4N+EH (W. Nr. 0881203) Restoration
 

http://www.luftfart.museum.no/Engels...ation/ju88.htm

http://aircraftresourcecenter.com/Ga...bo/gal4995.htm

Could someone please explain how all the 70/71 is gone, yet the codes(and presumably the crosses) are left and appear to have a nice sharp edge.

Re: Ju 88 D-1 4N+EH (W. Nr. 0881203) Restoration
 

I would risk being a chemical feature, maybe a different composition made the paint more resistent to wheather. In several photos is easily seen the markings being shinny/glossy in contrast with the flat camouflage color.
:confused:

Re: Ju 88 D-1 4N+EH (W. Nr. 0881203) Restoration
 

HI;

Thats easy to explain; where codes were painted you have more layers of paint (total of three: primer, camouflage and the code paint f.e. black); when two layers are gone - the topmost and one under it you see only the primer paint in those areas similar in shape to the codes, but bare metal where no codes were!

cheers
ed

Re: Ju 88 D-1 4N+EH (W. Nr. 0881203) Restoration
 

These sources don't provide the info on the date of the crash-landing of the Ju 88C-4, WNr. 088 0797, code #4D+HA of KG 30. The "A" would indicate Gruppenstab. Does anyone know the date of the loss of this aircraft?

Thanks,

Larry Hickey

Re: Ju 88 D-1 4N+EH (W. Nr. 0881203) Restoration
 

Hi Larry;

Never assume anything regarding the Luftwaffe, it might turn out wrong... Erprobungstaffel/KG 30 used
4D+_A and many codes are known. Here are all details I know, they could have been more: I sent this museum an E-mail once but they did´nt really care a proper answer...

W.Nr. 0880797 mfd March 1941
- Ju 88 A-5 [SK+QS] Luftwaffe
- Ju 88 C-2´ 4D+HA Erp.St./KG 30 (Luftflotte 5)
OPS (F) damaged by AA fire, force landed (70%) near Sandfjord at Nordkyn, Kinnarodden [Norway] 28.03.1942 (Staffelkapitän F Hptm. Cuno Gotthardt badly injured, B Oblt. Helmut Lütgens badly injured and BF Uffz. Willi Hillebrecht slightly inj) (rep as Ju 88 A5 797 in LWFLV losses) - Sold by Norwegian Government to <unk> locals after the war ended (1945) - Wreck was recovered in separate operations by RNoAF Museum to local storage site in Northern Norway in 1999 and 2000 - Then moved by ship transport to the RNoAF Museum at Bodö in 2001 - Stored in Bodö [2004]
[Note: W.Nr. 0880797 had C-4 type Zerstörer nosecap; code from SIG Luftwaffe Norway homepage]

cheers
ed

Re: Ju 88 D-1 4N+EH (W. Nr. 0881203) Restoration
 

Hi Ed,
could you possibly help with another loss from this unit, lost in the murmansk area 4.42.
JU88A-4 4D+DA W.Nr 1776, looking for crew details and date of loss.

Any help would be most appreciated.

Best Regards,
Steve.

Re: Ju 88 D-1 4N+EH (W. Nr. 0881203) Restoration
 

In response to Ed North's contention that the reason the letters are still visible is due to layers of paint I would say that he is probably correct. However when he states that there are are 3 paint layers he is incorrect. As Michael Ullman has pointed out on several occaisions the Luftwaffe adopted a single coat, self priming paint system. There was no primer layer under the 70/71 finish. The paint was an epoxy designed to cover in one coat.

Re: Ju 88 D-1 4N+EH (W. Nr. 0881203) Restoration
 

Hello Steve

The aircraft you mentioned was lost on 26th Apr 1942.
It belonged to Erprobungsstaffel KG 30

Crewmembers:

Oblt. Helmut Afflerbach (FF)
Uffz. Konrad Lahmann (BO)
Uffz. Erwin Schalleck (BF)
Uffz. Heinz Reinke (BS)


Greetings from Norway

Knut Larsson



www.rafandluftwaffe.info

Re: Ju 88 D-1 4N+EH (W. Nr. 0881203) Restoration
 

Hi Ed,

the StKz of the Ju 88 C-4/0797 was DE+SS, not SK+QS.
From the end of 1941 to Jan. 1942 Junkers rebuilt the aircraft to a so-called „Afflebach-Zerstörer“ (Afflebach-Destroyer), flights at Dessau in Jan.-Febr. 1942, acceptance flight on 13 Febr. 1942

Regards
Peter

Re: Ju 88 D-1 4N+EH (W. Nr. 0881203) Restoration
 

Hi all;

Thanks Peter for correction on that C-4/0797 was re-built / converted to C-4 etc., ´my´ code was ´interpolated´ from nearest known before ( and still in brackets), but interestingly this has same last letter? I know you are expert on these - and I am still a way off on finding out them all - but working hard!

Regarding number of layers Davis may be correct (generally), but the point taken by me was ´to explain´ to Modeldad ´why´ the codes still show (it´s called ´Weathering´ - and we get lot of it here in this country - f.e. 40 kts or more wih heavy rain is forecast for this evening and tomorrow; unusual for middle of summer!) but not the exact number of layers, where I may probably be wrong. I myself however have about two meters from my computer an original fuselage panel with longeron stringers and all - off an Ju 88 D-5; It has FOUR or MORE layers. But there is also two sets of codes! Both Stkz and Vbkz. I will have to have an expert examine the paint to see if it really is Epoxy? but I can count the layers myself; but consider this: If Stkz codes were painted in non-washable paint OVER the camouflage of RLM 70/71, then painted over with RLM 02 and then repainted in black... ; then you have at least three or four layers, v.s. ´single layer´ of camouflage : The RLM 70/71 camouflage is long, long, gone before the codes vanish.

Yes; I know ´First Flight´ codes were supposed to be painted with whash-able paint, but I have noticed in numerous photos that old codes were overpainted and then new applied... Note: 0797 was ´old´ and then re-built...

I just goes to show that you may never be exactly shure about anything Luftwaffe...

cheers
ed

Addenda: I have now counted the layers on my panel (left side of fuselage, forwards of cross):

1. Chemical treated aluminum (grayish ; not primer)

2. Camouflage RLM 70/71, with brittle like glass cracks just as Epoxy?

3. Code ´N´ (xN+xx)

4. Likely also 72/73 over it but can be RLM 02

5. Code ´6´ (A6+CH)

6. RLM 02 !



Conclusion : minimum of four layers of paint, possibly up to six....