Lt.Helmut Winkler and crew missing 29.9.42. 5/KG53.
 

Hi could anybody possibly help with the usual loss details for Lt.Helmut Winkler of 5/KG53 reported missing 29.9.42.
Any help would be appreciated.

Steve.

Re: Lt.Helmut Winkler and crew missing 29.9.42. 5/KG53.
 

He 111 H-6, 7713. Quadrat 586 D6 crashed and burned after being hit by Flak. Winkler, Gefr Georg Glosser (B), Uffz Hermann Muchow (BF), Uffz Karl Müller (BM) Gefr Edmund Blieda (BS) all killed

Re: Lt.Helmut Winkler and crew missing 29.9.42. 5/KG53.
 

1942-09-29, 5./KG 53, He 111 H-6, 7713, A1+HN, 1,5 km östlich Medwedowo
Flugzeugführer Lt Winkler, Helmut, +
Bombenschütze Gefr Glossner, Georg, +
Bordfunker Uffz Muchow, Hermann, +
Bordmechaniker Uffz Müller, Karl, +
Bordschütze Gefr Bieda, Edmund, +
Absturz infolge Flakbeschuß und Aufschlagbrand. Bruch 100 %.

Matti

Re: Lt.Helmut Winkler and crew missing 29.9.42. 5/KG53.
 

Thanks ever so much the information chaps, much appreciated.
Kindest regs,
Steve.

Re: Lt.Helmut Winkler and crew missing 29.9.42. 5/KG53.
 

Matti/Chris

Excuse my ignorance here, but what was a Bombenschütze? I realise he must have been some kind of gunner, but why the extra title?

Chris in his answer implies Glosser was the BO.
Was there some kind of double function perhaps?

Cheers
Stig

Re: Lt.Helmut Winkler and crew missing 29.9.42. 5/KG53.
 

I have no exact knowledge, but have always thought that Bombenschütze replaced Beobachter, but had less training. So not actually any gunner, but a guy who was doing some navigation activities and of course aiming and releasing the bombs.
Maybe Chris can give better explanation.

Matti

Re: Lt.Helmut Winkler and crew missing 29.9.42. 5/KG53.
 

i think:

"bombenschütze" = bombardier = shooter who triggers the bombs in the aircraft.
"bordschütze" = gunner = gunner firing from an aircraft with a machine gun or cannon.

edit:
matti is right, a bombardier has an observer training course ...

regards

Re: Lt.Helmut Winkler and crew missing 29.9.42. 5/KG53.
 

Thanks Matti

Sounds reasonable

Cheers
Stig