"Oblique armament" on a KG 51 Me 262?
 

Good evening,

From British report BT 5797 issued on 26 2339z/2/45 citing Reference CX/MSS/T. 472/49:

"(STRONG INDICATIONS GIEBELSTADT £ GIEBELSTADT ))
ELEMENTS) KING FIVE ONE AFTERNOON TWENTYTHIRD REPORTED
ARRIVAL FROM LECHFELD £ LECHFELD OF ONE AIRCRAFT WITH
ONE FIVE DEGREES DEPRESSION OF THE OBLIQUE ARMAMENT,
AND ENQUIRED WHETHER IT WAS TO GO TO FIRST OR SECOND
GRUPPE"

Any ideas as to what "OBLIQUE ARMAMENT" this message refers to?

best regards,

Jim

Re: "Oblique armament" on a KG 51 Me 262?
 

maybe this is meant:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schräge_Musik

best regards
ghost

Re: "Oblique armament" on a KG 51 Me 262?
 

Here's the text of CX/MSS/T472/49 which identifies the aircraft in question:

CX/MSS/T472/49 BT 5797
Report signed Hilmer, obltn. to KABUS (((Roman) I./KG)) IT. Stamped 1745/23/2:-
Strength return of 23/2
WL port Riedel starter does not function, position otherwise unchanged. Fw. Waldhof left on 23/2. Works No. 110605 with 15 degrees depression of oblique armament. Arrived on 23/2 from Lechfeld (B% request) instructions whether the a/c is to be (C% taken) over by (((Roman) I./KG)) or given up to KADIK (((Roman) II/KG))
NOTE: 1) Seen in file marked KG 51
2) Oblt. Hilmer has signed for the remaining elements of KG 51 at Giebelstadt. (cf. e.g. T469/22). For return of 21st see T470/27.

Then there was this:

CX/MSS/T498/52 BT 8237
((1)) Source saw a document dated 17/3, addressed to Detachment KABUS (( (Roman) I/KG)) 51, Giebelstadt, Oblt. Hilmer, dated 17/3, signed Ltn. Batel.
((2)) To KABUS (( (Roman) I/KG)) 51, Hopsten from Obpfr. Plattner, stamped 2345/19/3:
Strength return of 19/3: BB, HH, LL, ML, IL, AK, LK serviceable. GK, 110620, OL and 11199(smudge) shot up by a/c armament, 110605 with oblique armament shot up by a/c armament on 19/3 and completely destroyed. A/c was for KADIK (( (Roman) II/KG)).

Re: "Oblique armament" on a KG 51 Me 262?
 

Wow! Thank you so much, Nick.

If 110605 was "shot up by armament on 19/3 and completely destroyed" it is not the aircraft shot down on 22 March.

Unfortunately this leads to exposing my ignorance and asking what was KADIK II/KG?

Jim

Re: "Oblique armament" on a KG 51 Me 262?
 

One of a series of standard five-letter codes for various types of unit. For the elements of a Kampfgeschwader these were:

KABEK = KG
KABUS = I./KG; KADIK = II./KG; KADOP = III./KG; KAFAN = IV./KG
KEBAD = 1./KG; KEBUT = 2./KG; KEDAC = 3./KG KEDNI = 4./KG; KEFUO = 5./KG; KEGIA = 6./KG; KEKOD = 7./KG; KELAP = 8./KG; KELOA = 9./KG; KEMAB = 10./KG; KEMNO (or KEMMO?) = 11./KG; KENEP = 12./KG.

There are more examples here: http://www.ghostbombers.com/Ultra/ultra_07.html

Re: "Oblique armament" on a KG 51 Me 262?
 

Thank you again, Nick!

Re: "Oblique armament" on a KG 51 Me 262?
 

Re: "Oblique armament" on a KG 51 Me 262?
 

Jim, that was 111605.

Re: "Oblique armament" on a KG 51 Me 262?
 

Ah! Thank you, Dan. That explains it.

Re: "Oblique armament" on a KG 51 Me 262?
 

Glad to help Jim.