Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum

Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum (http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/index.php)
-   Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces (http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/forumdisplay.php?f=8)
-   -   Quote from Priens Volume 13/Part II (need source) (http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=56075)

John Manrho 19th January 2020 19:31

Quote from Priens Volume 13/Part II (need source)
 
In Priens series on the Jagdwaffe we find in Volume 13/Part II on page 569 a quote on operations of III./JG 6 on December 27th, 1944 (in German):

"Die III./JG 6 hatte mit fünf Bf 109 einen Einsatz zum Platzschutz für den Flugbetrieb der Strahler der Einsatzstaffel des KG 76 und des Kdo. Braunegg – 2./NAG 6 – vom Platz Münster-Handorf zu fliegen, das Ergebnislos verlief.“

Basically it says that III./JG 6 flew with 5 Bf 109 cover for the jets of KG 76 and Kdo. Braunegg.

The problem is that I would like to know the original source for this report. Does somebody know? Of course I did ask Jochen but he could not find it anymore.

Would appreciate the help!

Regards,

John

John Manrho 2nd February 2020 19:31

Re: Quote from Priens Volume 13/Part II (need source)
 
Back up again.....no one???

edwest2 2nd February 2020 19:49

Re: Quote from Priens Volume 13/Part II (need source)
 
Hello John,

I know that Robert Forsyth and Eddie Creek are completing a book about KG 76. Robert has posted here before. Perhaps they have something. About the book:
https://www.chandospublications.co.u...expected-2020/

Best,
Ed

John Manrho 2nd February 2020 20:23

Re: Quote from Priens Volume 13/Part II (need source)
 
Not a bad idea....I will ask Robert....

john

leonventer 2nd February 2020 22:24

Re: Quote from Priens Volume 13/Part II (need source)
 
Hi John,

In Jan Horn's book, "KG 76: Die Chronik des Kampfgeschwaders 76 im Zeitraum 01.01.1944 bis 08.05.1945", he provides a detailed account on pages 175-176 of the two missions flown by the Arados of Einsatzstaffel III./KG 76 from Hansdorf on Dec 27.

He states that the Arados' landings were protected by airfield Flak and by fighters from JG 54. After the second mission, he mentions that Hptm. Diether Lukesch thanked the JG 54 pilots for their help.

The only mention in the book about JG 6 is on the same page (p. 176.) However, it just describes a message from the JG 6 Ia-Offizier (Group Operations Officer) regarding Ar 234s being attacked by Luftwaffe fighters, and the need for aircraft recognition training. This is not to say that III./JG 6 wasn't involved at Hansdorf, but it appears they weren't the primary protection providers.

Unfortunately, not much else out there in secondary sources.

Regards,
Leon Venter

John Manrho 2nd February 2020 22:43

Re: Quote from Priens Volume 13/Part II (need source)
 
Hello Leon,

Thanks, I have Jan Horn's book. The information regarding Ar 234 being attacked by own fighters comes from ULTRA, most probably from Ia of JG 6.

I now for sure that III./JG 6 flew a mission on 27.12.44. However, I would really would like to know where that detailed information comes from....

John

leonventer 2nd February 2020 23:13

Re: Quote from Priens Volume 13/Part II (need source)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by John Manrho (Post 282126)
Thanks, I have Jan Horn's book.

Yes, I suspected you might. :)

Bit of a stretch, but perhaps the new Forsyth & Creek book will shed some light...

Leon Venter

Nick Beale 3rd February 2020 12:00

Re: Quote from Priens Volume 13/Part II (need source)
 
1 Attachment(s)
Attached is the only ULTRA reference to JG 6 that I currently have in this context.


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 20:18.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2018, 12oclockhigh.net