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Junkers 88 wreck part
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Hi guys,
I found this piece of wreck on Italian beaches, precisely near Bari. From the research carried out I am almost sure it is a Junkers 88 but I would like to be able to understand exactly which part of the plane it is. As you can see there is a code shown on the piece: R8-88.113-12036 Can any of you help me understand which part of the plane it is? Thank you! |
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Definitely JU88
Same Part number here attached was found on a JU88 C6 crash site GC |
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zlatanmola
88.113 says upper-half (part) of fuselage (Rumpf Oberschale), apples to Ju 88 A-1 (older) and onwards, from serial no 0880008. This small part stayed unchanged from 1939, as it was just a part but not a larger component. Many part numbers in the Ju 88 airframe stayed the same despite fuselage halves design changed. A-1/5 had this 88.115 and on A-4 upper-fuselage half was basic 88.119 but this Pressteil stayed the same. R8- is Roh (but this here be Pressteil) part, 8- means aircraft, 88. is of course the Ju 88. I think part number is R8-88.1203 and there be many (more of same part) used in each plane and this be located in many places (possibly on Bulkhead 8a to 14a). Curve of larger part (Photo #4) thus possibly be top of fuselage, but I am far from shure finding exact place. Explanation applies to 88.113-1203 as R8- does not appear in the A-4 parts list (1941) or I just can not find it. Number 3115 is the Metal in it (aluminum) and part is made by VDM. |
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Welcome new Italian Member of the Board.
Some possible candidates for you (all lost at Bari Harbour) Ju 88A-4 Werk # 550404 "L1 + CS" (lost 13/12/1943) – 8./LG 1 Ju 88A-5 Werk # 300267 "B3 + EH" (lost 2/12/1943) – 1./KG 54 Ju 88A-4 Werk # 142162 "4D + IL" (lost 2/12/1943) – 5./KG 30 Ju 88A-4 Werk # 800926 "L1 + BT" (lost 13/12/1943) – 9./LG 1 A. |
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You can find some helpful Luftwaffe and Junkers 88 manuals here:
https://www.deutscheluftwaffe.com/ar.../Dokumente.htm A. |
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Really thank you guys. :) Thanks also for the welcome. You have been very helpful. Now it remains to be seen whether the piece actually belongs to one of the four wrecks indicated or if it is part of an aircraft which there is no news.
I take this opportunity again to thank you! Greetings from South Italy! :) |
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zlatanmola,
I guess that ED answered your querry...this part seems NOT to be related to Ju 88 A-4...so it may be Ju 88A-5 Werk # 300267 "B3 + EH" (lost 2/12/1943) – 1./KG 54. Of course, other losses on the area may have been reported too...I do not have the full list of losses over Bari and my knowledge of airframe part numbers is nil (zero). You will find onto this Board a huge "Family" of brothers with the same interest, some real experts on their fields of knowledge (such Ed North), a lot of well known writers, sprog writers, modelists, novelists....all branches you can imagine. Someone surely will try to match your query. It has been 13 years I have been here and one of the most gratifying experiences, I assure you...a real pleasure to be here almost every day...do learn quite a lot! Cheerio and maybe you do find more pieces of the wreckage...some of the new ones can bring the clue to the identity of the machine and its fate, crews, etc... A. |
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Those losses on 2 December 1943 were aircraft that failed to return from the raid on Bari, they were not necessarily lost there (neither night fighters nor AA guns made any claims over the target) and were reported as missing.
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Therefore, Nick, I do estimate it might have been a night raid (2 December)...is there a possibility of a collision in flight (at night)?
IF this is a possibility, more pieces of wreck might be around the area where this probable Italian diver found this one...maybe he find another clue to the positive identity.. A. |
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My research on the 2 December 1943 raid is published here: http://www.ghostbombers.com/kf4/South/bari_01.html
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NICK,
It is always a pleasure to read such a detailed account...Thank you for remembering me of your site and immense work transcribed there...Keep going...you do inspire a lot of persons. OBS: Passed your contact to my friend...he may contact you soon. A. |
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I am impressed with your preparation. So I take this opportunity to give you some more information.
A plane's cart was recovered seven years ago, about 20km from Bari. The photo has a very low resolution but I am attaching it anyway in case it can give you some ideas. There is another Junkers 88 missing near Bari, not listed. It is a Ju88 A-4 5 / KG1 (MED) # 5712 piloted by Kohler Georg, missing in Bari on 20/04/1943. If what Nick says corresponds to reality, namely that the piece of the wreck not belonging to an A-4, the research certainly directs me on the Junkers A-5, even if on a document found on the web, the A-5 plane is reported as A-4 (attachment). But considering Nick's great work, I think it can certainly be said that it is an A-5. I will continue my research, hoping to be able to count on your help in the future. Again thank you very much! |
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Incidentally, both the missing aircraft were reported as Ju 88 A-4 by the Luftwaffe’s General Quartiermeister. |
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Baumgartner Part indentified (post #1) was (presumably) used on Ju 88 A-1 (older) thru A-17, if thats not clear - and that 300267 was truly a A-4 version aircraft - no way it be a A-5 as that version had been out of production for two years when A-4 300267 was assembled. And everybody now knows A-5 come before A-4, but shure, lots of A-5s were lost in and around Italy. Litterally thousands of Ju 88s were lost in Med area. 088/300267 Ju 88 A-4 B3+EH 1./KG 54 (Luftflotte 2) OPS (F) missing (100%) unk location (Bari Harbour) 02.12.1943 (F Fw. Walter Klein, B Ofw. Hugo Hinsch, BF Uffz. Julius Rübel and BS Gefr. Paul Höfler missing) [Note: 2 losses in night 02.-03.12.43 of 105 aircraft force sent to attack Bari Harbour.] |
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Good morning everybody, i' a diver involved at the moment in some researches in Adriatic sea about german and allied wrecks.
I was talking with the owner of the part found on the Bari beach and the part seems molten. About the raid: we have witnesses that one plane in 2 dec attack crashed in front of Molo Sant'Antonio area, the old Bari port (it's very small). The other one a bit more far away on sea direction. I can tell you that they are shallow waters always under fishing nets and a wreck recovery its quite difficult. Surely it will be in hundreads parts. We will start a recon as soon as covid 19 will be finished. It's also quite possible that the part found finished in Mola di Bari due to fishnets as it was found. Have a good day |
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