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ZhekaB 30th September 2020 21:47

some losses from Ehrengard's book “Normandie-Niemen”
 
Good health to all.
Could anybody, please, help me with the next question:
In Ehrengard's book “Normandie-Niemen”, in the chapter about the battle in October 1944 in East Prussia, the following losses of german pilots are mentioned:
1) 20.10.44 Hptm Schossbig (probably it is Oblt. Schlotte?), I./SG.4, Fw 190 - ? – no source
2) 23.10.44 Uffz. Fischer, II./SG.4, Fw 190, MIA
3) 24.10.44 ffw Koslawski II./SG 4, Fw 190, MIA
In the last two cases, reference is made to some memories of Maj. Dedeliknd from II./SG.4 (does anyone know if they are online?)
The question is: are these real people? Does anybody have any details about them?
Thanks in advance

Karsten 5th January 2021 17:09

Re: some losses from Ehrengard's book “Normandie-Niemen”
 
I can offer this

7./ SG 4 Fw 190 F-8 bei Balaschowka/ Gnadenheim
7 + 582 413 vom Feindflug nicht zurückgekehrt
Koslowsky Georg Fw. verm.

Rüdiger

Matti Salonen 5th January 2021 17:33

Re: some losses from Ehrengard's book “Normandie-Niemen”
 
1944-10-20, 3./SG 4, Fw 190 F-3, 670604, 8 gelbe, Südlich Gumbinnen
Flugzeugführer Oblt Schlotte, Fritz, +
Luftkampf mit Jäger. Bruch 100 %.
1944-10-23, 8./SG 4, Fw 190 F-8, 582038, Raum Gumbinnen
Flugzeugführer Fw Fischer, Bruno, vermißt
Absturz infolge Jägerbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
1944-10-24, 7./SG 4, Fw 190 F-8, 582413, 7 weiße, Raum Gnadenheim
Flugzeugführer Fw Koslowsky, Georg, vermißt
Von Einsatz auf Ort Gnadenheim nich zurück. Bruch 100 %.

Matti

Chris Goss 6th January 2021 00:17

Re: some losses from Ehrengard's book “Normandie-Niemen”
 
...and the other name is Maj Werner Dedekind ex-II./SKG 10

ZhekaB 8th January 2021 16:04

Re: some losses from Ehrengard's book “Normandie-Niemen”
 
Many thanks to Rüdiger, Matti and Kristen! So the pilots are real, but the names are spelled wrong. Rüdiger, I think that the place of Gnadenheim is correct, but this is not Balaschowka. Balaschowka, as far as I understand, is a place in Ukraine, an old German colony, but Gnadenheim is also a village in East Prussia where SG4 was acting at that time. It's just a little clarification.

ZhekaB 18th July 2022 20:28

Re: some losses from Ehrengard's book “Normandie-Niemen”
 
Once again to "Hptm Schossbig" )
III./SG4 Kriegstagebuch has mention about Haupmann Schossig (22.10.44 vermisst). From deZeng & Stankey issue: "09.10.44 trf from I./SG 4 to
III./SG 4.22.10.44Hptm., Stab II./SG 4 MIA - Fw 190 F-8 (Black 6)shot down by AA 10 km S of Gumbinnen."
So this name is also real! Thanks to all again.


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