ZG 1 and ZG 76 over WIEN 26/06/44
 

Hello

Can anyone provide loss details (16 Bf.110/Me.410 were claimed by US Fighters)

Thanks
Michel

Re: ZG 1 and ZG 76 over WIEN 26/06/44
 

Peter Kassak knows for sure :)

Re: ZG 1 and ZG 76 over WIEN 26/06/44
 

A dozen Me 410s from I. and II./ZG 76 and 4 Bf 110s from 6./ZG 1. The majority of the losses appear to be to the east of Wien/Vienna, over Hungary and Slovakia.

Re: ZG 1 and ZG 76 over WIEN 26/06/44
 

A dozen of Me 410s?

For the moment,I have (source Krzysztof Janowicz):

WNr.120101 (M8+1) Uffz.Straube/Uffz Schroer "Alsokemenes" in Hungary buy Mustang

WNr.470130 (M8+9) Gefr.Evers/Gefr.Schauenburg "Kuty" in Moravia

WNr.120015(M8+14) Ofw.Besemüller/Uffz.Wassermann "Northeast Prague"

And that's all

Michel

Re: ZG 1 and ZG 76 over WIEN 26/06/44
 

All 6./ZG 1

Bf 110 G-2 2N+GP 170077
Lt. Kurt Strölin
Uffz. Kurt Matz
Both killed in action.
Aircraft 100% loss

Bf 110 G-2 2N+JP 130097
Fw. Erich Steimke
Uffz. Kurt Immisch
Both killed in action.
Aircraft 100% loss

Bf 110 G-2 2N+AP 130083
Fhr. Hugo Feindt - wounded
Ogefr. Helmut Döpke - killed in action
Aircraft 100% loss

Bf 110 G-2 2N+PP 130061
Ogefr Hermann Boek (Bordfunker) killed in action
Aircraft 30% damaged

Re: ZG 1 and ZG 76 over WIEN 26/06/44
 

Me 410A-1, 120015, Besemüller, Uffz. Walter, , I., 1., ZG 76, weiße 15, M8 + 15, , , 26-Jun-44, WIA due to Luftkampf with B-24s. Bf KIA. Took off from Wien-Seyring., (Kvalowa, Krs. Modern (Modra) per Balss.), RLV, Balss, Deutsche LW Losses & Claims, V.33-2 (16 - 30-Jun-44), p.195; Me 210/410 in Action, p.42; Salonen via TOCH on 29-Feb-12, , Modra-Kralova, 35km nordöstlich Preßburg, 100%, F, Bf Uffz. Otto Wassermann, ,
Me 410A-1, 120161, Straube, Uffz. Otto, , I., 1., ZG 76, weiße 17, M8 + 17, , , 26-Jun-44, Crew KIA due to Luftkampf with B-24s. Took off from Wien-Seyring., (WNr. 120101, bei Unterkauenau per Balss. Coded 'M8+1' per Balss & Me 210/410 in Action.), RLV, Balss, Deutsche LW Losses & Claims, V.33-2 (16 - 30-Jun-44), p.196; Me 210/410 in Action, p.42; Salonen via TOCH on 29-Feb-12, , bei Unterkemenau, 100%, F, Bf Uffz. Egbert Schroer, ,
Me 410B-2, 150117, Sichel, Ofw. Rudolf, , II., 5., ZG 76, schwarzes 6, M8 + 6, , , 26-Jun-44, Crew KIA due to Luftkampf with Allied fighters., , RLV, Balss, Deutsche LW Losses & Claims, V.33-2 (16 - 30-Jun-44), p.197, , bei Dubovǎ, 100%, F, Bf Uffz. Wilhelm Hemeter, ,
Me 410A-1, 420678, Kirsch, Uffz. Günther, , II., 4., ZG 76, weiße 3, M8 + 3, , , 26-Jun-44, Crew WIA due to Luftkampf with Allied fighters., (F Hirschke, 1.5km westlich Vysoka-Dorf, bei Morava, 100% per Balss.), RLV, WASt; Balss, Deutsche LW Losses & Claims, V.33-2 (16 - 30-Jun-44), p.196, , Raum Preßburg, b, F, Bf Uffz. Hans Seitz, ,
Me 410B-2, 420680, Schalkhausser, Oblt. Kurt, , I., 1., ZG 76, weiße 3, M8 + 3, , , 26-Jun-44, Stfhr. Crew KIA due to Luftkampf with US fighters. Took off from Wien-Seyring., , RLV, Balss, Deutsche LW Losses & Claims, V.33-2 (16 - 30-Jun-44), p.195, , Zollhaus Dürnkrut, Krs. Gänserndorf, bei Hohenau-Hausbrunn, 100%, F, Bf Uffz. Karl-Heinz Schroedter, ,
Me 410B-2, 470094, Fielke, Uffz. Karl-Heinz, , II., 4., ZG 76, weiße 12, M8 + 12, , , 26-Jun-44, WIA due to Luftkampf with Allied fighters. Bf MIA., (Raum Wien per WASt? F & Bf swapped per Balss.), RLV, WASt; Balss, Deutsche LW Losses & Claims, V.33-2 (16 - 30-Jun-44), p.196, , Lužianky, 100%, F, Bf Uffz. Karl Brinkmann, ,
Me 410B-2, 470100, Petry, Ofw. Ernst, , II., 5., ZG 76, schwarzes 14, M8 + 14, , , 26-Jun-44, Crew KIA due to Luftkampf with Allied fighters., , RLV, WASt; Balss, Deutsche LW Losses & Claims, V.33-2 (16 - 30-Jun-44), p.197, , bei Dorf Ompital, Raum Preßburg, 100%, F, Bf Uffz. Friedrich Stöhr, ,
Me 410B-2, 470114, Engelmayer, Uffz. Norbert, , II., 4., ZG 76, weiße 18, M8 + 18, CR+QV, , 26-Jun-44, Crew KIA due to Luftkampf with US fighters., (Studienka per Balss.), RLV, Balss, Deutsche LW Losses & Claims, V.33-2 (16 - 30-Jun-44), p.196, LEMB, Wien Sibwakei / Raum Hasprunka, 100%, F, Bf Gefr. Günther Rostig, ,
Me 410B-2, 470126, Genicke, FhjFw. Helmut, , I., 3., ZG 76, weiße 2, M8 + 2, , , 26-Jun-44, Crew KIA due to Luftkampf with US fighters. Took off from Wien-Seyring., , RLV, Balss, Deutsche LW Losses & Claims, V.33-2 (16 - 30-Jun-44), p.196, , (Ungarn - Slowakei), 100%, F, Bf Uffz. Karl-Heinz Schmidt, ,
Me 410B-2, 470127, Richard, Ofw. Georg, , I., 1., ZG 76, weiße 6, M8 + 6, , , 26-Jun-44, Crew KIA due to Luftkampf with US fighters. Took off from Wien-Seyring., (Ivánka pri Dunaji), RLV, Balss, Deutsche LW Losses & Claims, V.33-2 (16 - 30-Jun-44), p.195, , Ivánka, bei Dunaji, 100%, F, Bf Uffz. Johann Schönmackers, ,
Me 410B-2/U2, 470130, Evers, Gefr. Bruno, , I., 1., ZG 76, weiße 9, M8 + 9, CR+OQ, , 26-Jun-44, Crew KIA due to Luftkampf with B-24s. Took off from Wien-Seyring., , RLV, Balss, Deutsche LW Losses & Claims, V.33-2 (16 - 30-Jun-44), p.195; Me 210/410 in Action, p.42; Salonen via TOCH on 29-Feb-12, LEMB, bei Kuty, 60km nördlich Preßburg, 100%, F, Bf Gefr. Willy Schauenburg, ,
Me 410B-2, 470131, Warten, Uffz. Johann, , I., 1., ZG 76, weiße 7, M8 + 7, , , 26-Jun-44, Crew KIA due to Luftkampf with US fighters. Took off from Wien-Seyring., , RLV, Balss, Deutsche LW Losses & Claims, V.33-2 (16 - 30-Jun-44), p.195, , bei Malacky, 100%, F, Bf Uffz. Gerhard Müller, ,

Re: ZG 1 and ZG 76 over WIEN 26/06/44
 

Super!
Thank you very much
Michel

Re: ZG 1 and ZG 76 over WIEN 26/06/44
 

For context, I have a Flugbuch from 6./ZG 1 covering this date. My man records flying out of Wels for ‘Frontal attack on bombers at Pressburg’’, which I believe is now Bratislava, Slovakia. Flight time 09:05-12:10.

Re: ZG 1 and ZG 76 over WIEN 26/06/44
 

I'm not familiar with the coding system used by ZG76.
There seem to have been 2 x weiße 3, M8 + 3 lost on this day, one from 4./ZG76 (420678) and one from 1./ZG76 (420680)

Can anyone explain the system please?

Re: ZG 1 and ZG 76 over WIEN 26/06/44
 

Yes, Pressburg is Bratislava now.


Peter Ušiak