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stephen f. polyak 6th October 2024 00:11

Ju87 data plate - Italian use?
 
Found among a GI’s bring-back items is a small aluminum data plate marked…

JUNKERS
Gerät-Nr “8-87 D-3 (Tp)”
Werk-Nr “10 0302”
“hls”

Entries in quotes are engraved into the plate. JUNKERS, Gerät-Nr, and Werk-Nr are etched as per a manufactured data plate.

Thoughts, please, as to the history/fate of this airplane?

Thank you,
Steve

Tony Kambic 6th October 2024 16:52

Re: Ju87 data plate
 
The NASM Bf109 was manufactured as a TROP aircraft. While the original data plate is missing, the DB605 engine data plate has a TP following the Gerat Nr DB605 A1.

In the one small book I have of Ju-87s, it states that the D-3 was the first version to not have the 'siren' incorporated due to a weight increase by added armor. In the book is a color plate of a D-3/Trop, S7+AA, of Geschwaderstab StG 3, based at Haggag-el-Quasaba, Egypt, late 1942.

Book is Junkers Ju87 STUKA by Martin Derry and Neil Robinson.

Tony

Revi16 7th October 2024 01:27

Re: Ju87 data plate
 
I believe the data plate is for an assembly or device (Geräte) for the airframe (8-). The werk-nr is for that specific part/assembly.

stephen f. polyak 7th October 2024 01:39

Re: Ju87 data plate
 
Thank you, Tony.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony Kambic (Post 340352)
The NASM Bf109 was manufactured as a TROP aircraft. While the original data plate is missing, the DB605 engine data plate has a TP following the Gerat Nr DB605 A1.

In the one small book I have of Ju-87s, it states that the D-3 was the first version to not have the 'siren' incorporated due to a weight increase by added armor. In the book is a color plate of a D-3/Trop, S7+AA, of Geschwaderstab StG 3, based at Haggag-el-Quasaba, Egypt, late 1942.

Book is Junkers Ju87 STUKA by Martin Derry and Neil Robinson.

Tony


stephen f. polyak 7th October 2024 01:49

Re: Ju87 data plate
 
The style of the plate is that of a main data plate for an airplane, not a component plate. The WNr is in the Ju87 D-3 production block. I can now add that the plate was taken in the Mediterranean area of operations, North Africa or Italy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Revi16 (Post 340361)
I believe the data plate is for an assembly or device (Geräte) for the airframe (8-). The werk-nu is for that specific part/assembly.


JoMe 7th October 2024 13:14

Re: Ju87 data plate
 
Does anybody knows, what abbreviation "hls" stands for (WFG-Lemwerder?)

best wishes
JoMe

stephen f. polyak 7th October 2024 17:57

Re: Ju87 data plate
 
hls = Weser Flugzeugbau G.m.b.H., Bremen 1

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoMe (Post 340370)
Does anybody knows, what abbreviation "hls" stands for (WFG-Lemwerder?)

best wishes
JoMe


Stig Jarlevik 8th October 2024 09:49

Re: Ju87 data plate
 
Hi Stephen

While the Ju 87 A, B, C and R are quite reasonably covered, the Ju 87 D is not (at least not in
my lists)

For WNr 100302 I only have a STKZ KK+CB, that is it.

Cheers
Stig

JoMe 8th October 2024 13:24

Re: Ju87 data plate
 
Thank you, Stephen

stephen f. polyak 8th October 2024 19:14

Re: Ju87 data plate
 
Stig, thank you so much for that info. Very helpful! The skz “KK+CB” led me to search further. Thus, LRG (https://www.luftwaffe-research-group.com) revealed a vkz of M6+CL, which I don’t believe connects with a StG unit. Possible error? Also, the city of Bizerte is listed in connection with this airplane. Further thoughts?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik (Post 340383)
Hi Stephen

While the Ju 87 A, B, C and R are quite reasonably covered, the Ju 87 D is not (at least not in
my lists)

For WNr 100302 I only have a STKZ KK+CB, that is it.

Cheers
Stig



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