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James A Pratt III 22nd January 2025 19:21

AR-199 loss and damaged info
 
I am looking for info on Ar-199 lost or damaged Luft-zur-see.de only has:

14 Aug 42 V3 #3673 shot down crew saved by according to BCRS V3 p95 19GIAP. Off Finnland parts salvaged in 1993

28 May 43 #17 20% accident France.

I know one was POWed by the RAF at the end of the war.

Any info on the following:
KK+BU white 47 Seefliegerschule Bug 1944 Rugen.

DM+ZF # 018 Tournai 1943

AndyMa 23rd January 2025 07:14

Re: AR-199 loss and damaged info
 
I thought DM+ZF was WNr.0017 (ie, the same one damaged on 28 May 43)?

Stig Jarlevik 23rd January 2025 10:58

Re: AR-199 loss and damaged info
 
Andy

If the German STKZ applications were logical
DM+ZF was WNr 0017 and WNr 0018 was RD+WA

Known correlations between STKZ and WNr favours that theory.

Cheers
Stig

Seaplanes 23rd January 2025 14:23

Re: AR-199 loss and damaged info
 
The Arado Ar 199V-3 W.Nr. 3673 reg. D-ITLF St.kz. TJ+HL
01.09.1940 reported by E-Stelle (See) Travemünde for general type trials.
16.07.1942 Allocated to Seenotbereichskommando IX at Kirkenes, Norway.
14.08.1942 Serving with 10. Seenotstaffel. 100% accident south-west of Liza.
Shot down by enemy aircraft while on a rescue sortie. Crew rescued. No casualties.

Arado Ar 199A-0 W.Nr. 0017
28.05.1943 Überführungskommando LZ Amt Travemünde. 20% damaged during a forced landing due to engine failure at Anneau near Chartres. No
casualties.

The production of Arardo Ar 199 was limited to six prototypes V-1 to V-6
followed by 20 Ar 199A-0 series aircraft with W.Nos. 0007 - 0026. 10 aircraft went to the Seenotdienst and 10 to the training organisation (Chef AW).

AndyMa 23rd January 2025 23:06

Re: AR-199 loss and damaged info
 
Thanks. What was the WNr. of V-6 please?

Stig Jarlevik 24th January 2025 00:45

Re: AR-199 loss and damaged info
 
Andy

The six prototypes were WNr 3671 - 3676 and supposedly V-1 to V-6
As far as I know the V-1 to V-4 are confirmed as WNr 3671 - 74

Unfortunately the sources differ, with regard to the other two, such as listing 3676 as the V-5,
so possibly 3675 was the V-6 and thus 3676 the V-5

What do you have on that Björn?

Cheers
Stig

Seaplanes 25th January 2025 11:43

Re: AR-199 loss and damaged info
 
Ar 199V-1 W.Nr. 3671 D-IRFB/NH+AM
01.09.40 At E-Stelle (See) Travemünde. General testing.
27.05.43 Transferred from Stavanger, Norway to Pori, Finland. Arrived at Pori 17.06.1943. Operated for Seenotdienst from Pori, Kemi and Alakurrti.

Ar 199V-2 W.Nr. 3672 D-ISBC/BH+BM
01.09.40 At E-Stelle (See) Travemünde. Damaged in accident.

Ar 199V-3 W.Nr. 3673 D-ITLF/TJ+HL
01.09.40 At E-Stelle (See) Travemünde. General type trials.
16.07.42 Allocated to Seenotbereichskdo. IX at Kirkenes, Norway.
14.08.42 100% loss when shot down by enemy aircraft south-west of Liza while
on a rescue sortie. Crew rescued. No casualties.

Ar 199V-4 W.Nr. 3674 BH+AN
01.09.40 At E-Stelle (See) Travemünde for general type trials.

Ar 199V-5 W.Nr. 3675 RC+HR
01.09.40 At E-Stelle (See) Travemünde as prototype for the A-0 serie.
01.09.42 Still at E-Stelle (See) Travemünde.

Ar 199V-6 W.Nr. 3676
01.03.41 At E-Stelle (See) Travemünde.

The 20 Ar 199A-0 production series was manufactured by SIPA (Societe Industrielle pour l'Aeronautique) in France with W.Nr. 0007 - 0026.
The last one, Ar 199A-0 W.Nr. 0026 arrived in Stavanger Norway on 07.10.1943 for service with 10. Seenotstaffel.

Stig Jarlevik 25th January 2025 13:35

Re: AR-199 loss and damaged info
 
Takk Björn! :)

Cheers
Stig

JoMe 25th January 2025 13:39

Re: AR-199 loss and damaged info
 
Hi Seaplanes
Can you tell us where exactly the SIPA-Ar199 was manufactured and in what period?
best wishes JoMe

AndyMa 26th January 2025 05:04

Re: AR-199 loss and damaged info
 
Thanks also from me.
I have seen two versions of the codes for 0018/0026:

0018/0026 RD+WA to RD+WI
or
0018/0020 HD+WX to HD+WZ
0021/0026 RD+WA to RD+WF

Which is correct please?


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