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photo-war 19th February 2025 23:22

Ostpreußen, April 1945.
 
Hello!


Has anyone researched Luftwaffe planes in the photos of Eastern Prussia airfields taken during the Red Army offensive on April 1945? They are almost all well known and appeared in various period sources … but I have got my own piece of this pie now from a photo album that acquired recently.
I appreciate any help with these images.


The first ones are three Fw190, is this possible to ID what variants are they and which LF unit?


Thanks In advance and best regards,
Alexander



https://www.photo-war.com/wa/ostp001.jpg



https://www.photo-war.com/wa/ostp002.jpg


https://www.photo-war.com/wa/ostp003.jpg

VtwinVince 20th February 2025 18:45

Re: Ostpreußen, April 1945.
 
By April the eastern regions of East Prussia were already in Soviet hands, and the final siege of the capital was taking place.

photo-war 21st February 2025 15:54

Re: Ostpreußen, April 1945.
 
I think it will be very difficult to accurately name the unit to which these aircraft belonged. JG51 and JG54 were operated this area during the last moths of Third Reich.

But any chance to ID variant of these Fw190, are they A-8 or may be A-9?

Nick Beale 21st February 2025 17:02

Re: Ostpreußen, April 1945.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by photo-war (Post 343211)
I think it will be very difficult to accurately name the unit to which these aircraft belonged. JG51 and JG54 were operated this area during the last moths of Third Reich.

But any chance to ID variant of these Fw190, are they A-8 or may be A-9?

The first one, with the collapsed landing gear and four cannon in the wings is an A-8 or A-9; the second may be an F-model with cannon only in the wing roots but it does not seem to have underwing bomb racks.

According to Bundesarchiv RL 2-III/735 (which is free to download) on 16 April 1945 the only Fw 190 fighter unit in Luftwaffenkommando Ostpreußen was Stabsstaffel JG 51, which had 18 of them. The ground-attack Fw 190s were with I./SG 3 which had 24.

Also, 2./NAGr. 4 had 6 Focke-Wulfs. These were recorded as Fw 189 until the lists for 14 and 16 April which say Fw 190. I suspect that this was a typng mistake (unless someone knows better). The last photo-reconnaissance aircraft of 2./NAGr. 4 was destroyed by enemy action on 30 April but four Bf 109s did operate that day (according to National Archives HW 5/701).

NOTE: On 1 April, Stabsstaffel JG 51 reported having 2 Fw 190 A-9 and 20 Fw 190 A-8 (National Archives HW 5/697).

FalkeEins 22nd February 2025 14:36

Re: Ostpreußen, April 1945.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Beale (Post 343212)

According to Bundesarchiv RL 2-III/735 (which is free to download)

Thanks! Hadn't seen this one. I find it a little odd that this file is available but almost no other 'Bereitschaft' file after 1941 is ? Always amazes me that some-one (or some persons) were sitting there typing these out just days from total collapse...I guess this may partially explain the occasional 'errors' that crop up.

Nick Beale 22nd February 2025 15:21

Re: Ostpreußen, April 1945.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FalkeEins (Post 343222)
Thanks! Hadn't seen this one. I find it a little odd that this file is available but almost no other 'Bereitschaft' file after 1941 is ?

It's probably a matter of what people requested for digitisation. The ones for 20 February–16 April 1944 are downloadable too.

Andrey Kuznetsov 22nd February 2025 16:42

Re: Ostpreußen, April 1945.
 
I've been requesting quite a few of these files. Only one of them has been uploadad so far, 716b. And it's not clear if my request has anything to do with it. Maybe the point is that one person's request is not enough.

Does anyone know if there are any plans to digitize the ZA 3 series?

Best regards,
Andrey

photo-war 23rd February 2025 08:58

Re: Ostpreußen, April 1945.
 
Nick thanks a lot for so detailed information about the photos!

There is another one plane from the same airfield, destroyed and burned-out Messerschmitt Bf109.

1. Is this “Gustav” of “Kurfürst”, any chance to ID?
2. The armament looks like MG131 to me, is this correct?


Thanks in advance!



Best regards,
Alexander




http://www.photo-war.com/wa/ostp004.jpg



http://www.photo-war.com/wa/ostp005.jpg

Tony Kambic 23rd February 2025 14:52

Re: Ostpreußen, April 1945.
 
That is an MG131 weapon. I am unable to post images here, but I do have a similar image of a MG131 in a Bf109 G-6.

Tony

S Sheflin 23rd February 2025 22:22

Re: Ostpreußen, April 1945.
 
Greetings,
Its curved left engine bearer and raised oil filler hatch narrow it down to a G-14/AS, G-10, or K-4. Final identification would be easier if we could see its lower cowling, radio access hatch, and its DF loop position. Finally, if the white characters visible on the upper front of its crankcase are “DB” as it appears, that would mean it was either a DB605D-powered Bf109G-10 or Bf109K-4.
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin


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