JG51 Victories
 

20Aug44
Ofw Joachim Bussert Stab III 16:36 Boston III (Douglas A-20 1GMTAP KBF)

14Sep44
Uffz Helmut Gloeckner Stabs Staffel
14:26 Boston III (Douglas A-20 1GMTAP KBF)
14:29 Boston III (Douglas A-20 1GMTAP KBF)
Lt Gustav Sturm Stabs Staffel
14:31 Boston III (Douglas A-20 1GMTAP KBF)

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22Sep44 Losses for 1 GMTAP KBF
Douglas A-20 Lt Zhilenkov
Douglas A-20 M. Lt Baranov
Douglas A-20 M. Lt Thepermiaks(?)

JG51 claims for 22Sep44
Hptm Joachim Brendel Stab III 10:27 Boston III
Oblt ? III 10:28 Boston III
Uffz Hoppe Stab III 10:25 Yak-7
Ofw Friedrich Simon 9. 10:29 Boston III
Uffz Moelders 10. 10:30 Boston III
Ofw Josef Gaebl 10. 10:31 Boston III

The 22nd fight doesn't say if there was another unit with the 1 GMTAP KBF flying Boston III's. It also doen't have how many planes were damaged and doesn't say what IAP was doing escort. If you want to read about the 1 GMTAP KBF go to www.bellabs.ru/51/ . Maybe a Russian member can give more about the 22 Sep 44.

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Good Stuff Nokose!!! :D

Keep it up,

Rob Romero

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In The Sky Bombers by G.A. Osipov (Shchelkovo series 2003)
Barbarossa The Air Battle by Christer Bergstrom
08Aug41 15:40(Moscow)-
57 BAP (1st mission) on Yelnya 27 SB (11 lost) 1 Bf-109 claimed

JFV 6/II by Jochen Prien
Stab III/JG51 (listed in Barbarossa as II/JG51)
Hptm Richard Leppla DB-3 (32) 15:25 3km W of Jelnja
Lt Karl-Heinz Weber DB-3 (7) 15:25
Hptm Richard Leppla DB-3 (33) 15:26
IV/JG51
11. Lt Georg Seelman DB-3 (28) 15:08
10. Oblt Johann Knauth DB-3 (12) 15:20
11. Lt Karl Schnecker SB-2 (3) 15:21
11. Lt Georg Seelmann DB-3 (29) 15:29
10. Obfw Adolf Borchers DB-3 (12) 15:30
12. Obfr Ernst Weismann DB-3 (3) 15:35
12. Lt Herbert Huppertz DB-3 (30) 15:35
12. Lt Herbert Huppertz DB-3 (31) 15:38
(No Bf-109's lost)

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09Aug41
57 BAP (3AE) (3rd mission) 8 SB (5 lost) claimed 1 Bf-109

JFV 6/I by Jochen Prien
12./JG51
Lt Herbert Huppertz SB-3 (33) 19:00
Uffz Helmut Heerdt SB-3 (2) 19:00
Lt Heinz Baer SB-3 (55) 19:00
Obfhr Ernst Weismann SB-3 (4) 19:03
Obfw Heinrich Hoffman SB-3 (37) 19:05
(Lt Huppertz's Bf-109 shot down)

10Aug41
57 BAP (Night missions)
SB flown bt St. Lt Georgiy Alekseyevich Osipov [author of "In the Sky Bombers"] returned to base with heavy damage

JFV 6/I
9./JG51 Obfw Edmund Wagner DB-3 (17) 19:15
(possibly Osipov's SB)

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JFV 9/II by Jochen Prien
Stab II/JG51 Hptm Hartmann Grasser LaGG-3 (69) 12:05 PlQu 47524
StabII/ JG51 Lt Guenther Ruebell LaGG-3 (37) 12:25 PlQu 47552

Losses II/JG51
5/JG51 N.N. Luftkampf, Rshew 100% Wknr 9564

Source: airforce.ru
LaGG-3 5GIAP Mayor Grigorii Denisovich Onufrienko (29 victories, Total for war) shot down by Grasser
LaGG-3 5GIAP Lt Ibragim Shagiakhmedovich Bikmukhametov returned to base after ramming Bf-109 (Wknr. 9541) claim made by Ruebell

Stalin's Falcons by Tomas Polak
List Onufrienko claiming a Bf-109 on the 04Aug42
Bikmuhametov one Bf-109(10th) shot down and one Bf-109 (11th) rammed

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Was a Bf 109 indeed rammed and if so -whose was it?

If a ramming was involved, how could Ruebell claim it as a victory?

Rob Romero

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The Wknr for the one claimed as rammed is different for the Bf-109F-2 lost in the dogfight in JFV. Maybe Ruebell was attacking the LaGG-3 when this incident happen and saw it going down. It seems that 5GIAP claimed three Bf-109's in this fight but only 1 is listed. Hopefully someone has info on the Wknr listed as rammed.

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Source: Barbarossa- The Air Battle by Christer Bergstroem
Lists 18 SB of the 39SBAP attacking the Bug River bridge on 22Jun41. All 18 lost. He lists 2 to H. Baer, 4 to Hoefemeier and 6 to other JG51 pilots.

JFV 6/I by Jochen Prien
22Jun41
1. Oblt Heinz Baer
SB-2 (19) 09:40
SB-2 (20) 09:45
1. Obfw Heinrich Hoefemeier
SB-2 (1) 09:40
SB-2 (2) 09:42
SB-2 (3) 09:43 Kossow-Siedlce
SB-2 (4) 09:45 ""
3. Oblt Heinrich Kraft
SB-2 (6) 09:55
SB-2 (7) 10:02
3. Oblt Erich Viebahn
SB-2 (1) 09:57
SB-2 (2) 09:58
3. Uffz Egon Grosse
SB-2 (1) 09:57
SB-2 (2) 09:59
3. Uffz Wilhelm Theimann
SB-2 (2) 10:00
3. Uffz Herbert Bareuther
SB-2 (1) 10:01
3. Lt Fritz Duenkel
SB-2 (1) 10:03

JG 51 Victories
 

Hello Nokose

Excellent and informative post as usual! Just one observation: could it have been that Oberfeldwebel Heinrich Höfemeier (96 victories, RK, killed in action 7 August 1943) of 1./JG 51 was wounded in battle with these SB twin-engined bombers in Bf 109 F-2 "White 5" (W.Nr. 5423) east of Siedlce on 22 June 1941? I have the impresson that this was the case or was it in some later combat?

Horrido!

Leo