GRAF SPEE's AR196s 1939
 

Hi guys

The Graf Spee carried two Ar196s. Any ideas of codes? Crews? Fates?

On 30 September 1939, one of the Ar196s machine-gunned the cargo/liner Clement, which was stopped and captured. Any idea which aircraft and which crew?

Cheers
Brian

Re: GRAF SPEE's AR196s 1939
 

Hello Brian:

In Kriegsmarine Colors Vol.1 (AJ Press) :

Graf Spee in 1939: 2 x Ar196 A-1 (L2 + X40 and L2 + X41).

Sorry, I have not found any more information.

Saludos

Miguel

Re: GRAF SPEE's AR196s 1939
 

Thats a great start Miguel - many thanks indeed.

Cheers
Brian

Re: GRAF SPEE's AR196s 1939
 

Hi guys

As you will note, Miguel has come up with the codes of Graf Spee's Ar196s - L2+X40 and L2+X41. Why the X?

Cheers
Brian

Re: GRAF SPEE's AR196s 1939
 

On its sortie to the South Atlantic in the autumn of 1939, the "Admiral Graf Spee" carried only one aircraft which also was the normal equipment for this cruiser. This was Ar 196A-1 W.Nr. 0014 (code not known) of Bordfliegerstaffel 1./196. The aircraft was destroyed during the battle with British naval forces off Montevideo on 13.12.1939. During this action, the pilot, Uffz. Bongards, was killed. The "Admiral Graf Spee" was scutlled in the River Plate estuary on 17.12.1939, and the remaining crew interned. The observer of W.Nr. 0014, Oblt.z.See Detlef Spiering, was interned in Argentina but returned to Germany on 05.06.1940.
The unit code of 1./196 was T3+-H.

The code L2+X-- was used by the 10.(See)/Lehrgeschwader 2 which was a kind of test unit equipped with a variety of seaplanes.

Re: GRAF SPEE's AR196s 1939
 

Many thanks indeed, Seaplanes, I was hoping that you would see this request!!

Excellent
Cheers
Brian

Re: GRAF SPEE's AR196s 1939
 

Holá companeros,
I can't say much regarding the code unless I dig out my Graf Spee book with lots of details. What I posted here is a detail photo of the remains of the plane after the battle when Graf Spee took shelter in Montevideo.
The other post is a cut-out of Graf Spee profile with ar196 in place. Enjoy

Horst Schmidt

Re: GRAF SPEE's AR196s 1939
 

Hi all,

As I said in my post, I took the data from Kriegsmarine Colors.
The "X" is as well surprising to me, but I did not feel allowed to modify the information appearing in the book.

In the Warship Profile nr. 4 (or 5?) there is a lot of text on the Graf Spee´s Ar 196, citing that one (at least) was one of the prototypes, but without any reference to serial number or crew.

Actually, it is very funny reading, above all, the many engine troubles and the ingenious ways to fix them. Recommendable.

Thanks to all

Saludos

Re: GRAF SPEE's AR196s 1939
 

Acutally, this Ar 196 was out of service from 11.12.1939. When landing after a recce sortie, the engine broke down and it was not possible to make a repair. This was also the spare engine, the first one had already been expended. The aircraft was taken on board and the engine and other equipment removed. The aircraft code was T3+AH as can be seen in the book "Bordflieger im Einsatz 1939-1945" by Franz Kurowski, Kurt Vowinckel Verlag, 1984, ISBN 3921 655 374. The photo also show that something looking like RAF roundels were painted on the undersides of the wings. However, the Balkenkreuz seems to appear on the fuselage sides together with the unit code.

Re: GRAF SPEE's AR196s 1939
 

Hi All

The L2+X41 was in fact onboard the Graf Spee for awhile in 1939 but returned to Germany before she ventured on her famous cruise and ultimately her doom. L2+X41 had by then been transferred onboard Gneisenau from about mid-june 1939. No WNr is known but it has been reported as both an A-0 and an A-1

As always I am a bit puzzled by the German WNr. The 10 A-0 has been reported as following the V-5 (WNr 0090) as WNr 0091-0100.
The V-6 is stated to be WNr 0191. How all this reflects on the main production which "seems" to be in between WNr 0001 - 0437 and 1001-1017 is beyond me... :)

As always Seaplanes seems to have access to what we others only wish we had :)

Cheers
Stig