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Matzos 9th July 2007 13:56

Luftwaffe Reconnaissance Units
 
Where Reconnaissance Units within the Luftwaffe based on the same structure as Figher/Bomber Units, that is:

Gruppe - Staffel - Schwarn - Rotte

And if so, did they contain the same number of aircraft at each level.

Thanks

Laurent Rizzotti 9th July 2007 15:05

Re: Luftwaffe Reconnaissance Units
 
The Schwarm was used by fighter units only AFAIK. While Geschwader, Gruppe and Staffel were administrative and command divisions, Schwarm and Rotte were tactical formations. What I mean is that a pilot and AC was attached to a Staffel, but not to a Schwarm or a Rotte.

Recon units were usually managed on the Staffel level. They were part of an above structure (a Gruppe or a Geschwader) but it was mainly administrative. Each Staffel was used independently and often attached to another command, either a ground one (for tactical recon) or an air HQ (for strategic recon).

Recon AC flew usually alone, except the tactical recon missions done by Bf 109 later in the war that were often flown in Rotte. By the way these AC had guns and could fight air battles.

Adam 9th July 2007 15:36

Re: Luftwaffe Reconnaissance Units
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Laurent Rizzotti (Post 46370)
Recon AC flew usually alone,

At least early in the war some Ku.Fl.Gr armed recon operations were flown in staffel strength, but not in what could be described as formations. Instead aircraft would follow a similar track through various way points/general areas but would fly in a much extended lateral formation with each aircraft usually within 10 - 20 minutes flight of each other: otherwise known as a "fan search." (Imagine the fins of a hand-waved fan) Although the same general area was covered by aircraft, whether this could be considered formation or staffel-strength reconnaissance is open to interpretation.

Matzos 9th July 2007 16:40

Re: Luftwaffe Reconnaissance Units
 
Thank you both for the information.

Kurfürst 9th July 2007 18:45

Re: Luftwaffe Reconnaissance Units
 
Is there any good literature dealing with LW reconnaisance service, I am looking for something like a 'definitive' history of the recon arm, detailing operations etc.

Matzos 9th July 2007 18:57

Re: Luftwaffe Reconnaissance Units
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurfürst (Post 46388)
Is there any good literature dealing with LW reconnaisance service, I am looking for something like a 'definitive' history of the recon arm, detailing operations etc.

Have a look at these books by Dave Wadman, Part 1 is out now, Part 2 is on it's way.

Luftwaffe reconnaissance

Michal 10th July 2007 13:02

Re: Luftwaffe Reconnaissance Units
 
AFAIK especially around the end of WW2, Recce Staffeln were usually divided into Kette.

kalender1973 10th July 2007 14:44

Re: Luftwaffe Reconnaissance Units
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Matzos (Post 46392)
Have a look at these books by Dave Wadman, Part 1 is out now, Part 2 is on it's way.

Luftwaffe reconnaissance

What is the subject of part 2 ?

Kurfürst 11th July 2007 10:58

Re: Luftwaffe Reconnaissance Units
 
Matzos,

Thanks a lot for the recommendation, I did not knew there's one in the series for recce aircrat. I only had one of the fighters/Russia books, that was quite nice.

Matzos 11th July 2007 13:17

Re: Luftwaffe Reconnaissance Units
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kalender1973 (Post 46444)
What is the subject of part 2 ?

Part 2 concludes the story of the Luftwaffe's Aufklarungsflieger wing from 1943 to the end of the conflict. Looking at the use of jet aircraft in the reconnaissance role.


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