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Old 25th January 2010, 12:12
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Question Battle L5230 105 Sqn : 14.05.1940

For the 70th anniversary of the Battle of France and the 70th Anniversary of the Air Bombing on pontoon bridges on Sedan, a publication will be soon published. I am looking for information for some aircraft. I mean a photograph of the aircraft on the ground or of the crew, the aircraft code and any other precise information. Anyone who helps will be of course mentioned and thank.

Thank you very much. Those British airmen deserve few researches…

Arnaud Gillet

L5230 : 15 Sqn 14.7.39; GB 30.11.39; AASF 21.2.40; 105 Sqn date inconnue; missing from attack bridge Sedan 14.5.40. F/lt Sammels, Sgt Abbott, LAC missing =

Battle n° L5230 (15.45 – perdu de vue à 16.15) : sous-lieutenant H. E. White (+ Choloy), sergent G. A. Cartwright (+ Choloy), AC J. Potter (+ Choloy) : Les trois hommes sont enterrés dans une tombe collective. Certains localisent le point de chute à La Neuville-à-Maire, alors que la liste de 1941 indique que ce Battle tombé dans ce village portait le n° L5513 celui du capitaine Sammels dont les corps des trois hommes n’ont jamais été retrouvé. Si les corps enterrés dans la tombe collective de Choloy proviennent bien de La Neuville à Maire, alors il pourrait s’agir d’une erreur d’identification des corps. Ne connaissant pas les éléments d’identifications des corps, nous pensons qu’il s’agit non pas de l’équipage du sous-lieutenant White, mais du capitaine Sammels…


Problems :

I have a problem and hope you could help me.
1. Operation Record Book of 105 Squadron says : Aircraft L5523 : F/Lt Sammels, Sgt Abbot, LAC Hughes lost on May 14th
2. CWGC says F/Lt Sammels, Sgt Abbot, LAC Hughes : no grave.
3. Red Cross says : Aircraft L5523 crashed at La Neuville-à-Maire, three airmen burnt buried in the local cemetery.
4. Historians says, the three airmen killed at Le Neuville-à-Maire are P/O White, Sgt Cartwright, AC Potter.
5. CWGC says P/O White, Sgt Cartwright, AC Potter buried at Choloy.

Question 1 : Where did they find P/O White, Sgt Cartwright, AC Potter bodies?

Question 2 : If P/O White, Sgt Cartwright, AC Potter were found at La Neuville-à-Maire, how did the British manage to identify those three men as P/O White, Sgt Cartwright, AC Potter and NOT as F/Lt Sammels, Sgt Abbot, LAC Hughes?
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