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Old 28th July 2010, 21:59
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Re: JU 88 4D+DR 15 August 1940

Richard, are you aware that 4D+DR is not thought to have reached its objective, but 4D+KL did (see more below).

But ok. From the same reference as stated by Peter Cornwell (i.e. A.I.1.(k) No. 267/1940 - "List No.11" - but I was/am missing "the title page" and possibly more pages, and therefore did´t realize I indeed had same info against that one. My sorry). Also I have noted four crew names against 4D+DR (but unshure if they are against the correct loss - they should have been only three or four.)

But, no there is no mention of "Siebel" in that list... but most parts, despite finished as A-5, actually were the same as A-1 had. We just do not know what plate this info comes from. "Parts travel" between aircraft´s was considerable in the field and at repair stations as the war progressed.

I have the Luftwaffe GQM losses for this fateful day for I and III/KG 30 here in front of me. There is indeed one Ju 88 A-5 listed missing (100%) that day but against 3./KG 30 and "Flamborough Head" (four crew), against no less than two of I/KG 30 and three of III/KG 30 missing, two more crashlanding on landing (total seven): all last ones given as "Ju 88 C"´s (of which two are to be given the number of crew to reported of later, but three of the missing "C"´s are indeed noted with three crew each (which is correct for a Ju 88 C Zerstörer), all were mostly aimed at Driffield. Furthermore one more Ju 88 (no subtype listed) is mentioned lost 15.08.40 - of 4./KG 30 (II Gruppen) two crew dead, two missing.

But the singular Ju 88 A-5 is listed against 3./KG 30 (and four man crew) and therefore 4D+KL seems to fit the bill best but there were two more "C" from I/KG 30 lost also. So against this list (below) 4D+DR should possibly had been a "Ju 88 C" (but 4D+DR indeed it seems to be Ju 88 A model - with normally had four man crew).

The A.I.1.(k) No.267/1940 listings have only three investigated:

11. "Ju 88 4D+DR" as "Nr. Hornby"
12. "Ju.88 4D+KL" as "Nr. Bridlington",
13. "Ju 88 4D+-M" as "Nr. Hunmanby"

But there is likely more info I do not have, I do not have all I whished having. The A.I.1(k) No. 267/1940 does not offer conclusive info. But for what I see the photos often stated as of 4D+DR could well as be 4D+DP (II Gruppen) as that last letter is not entierly clear...

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