[Marius]

Franek,


The first point is that he does not understand what is in the Polish documents but knows better what the Polish pilots claimed.

I asked you to tell us what there is so decisive concerning the German aircraft losses and you did not respond. Right?


The sample of Skalski is evident. Skalski in the combat of 2.09.1939 claimed two Do 17s and this is confirmed by diary of the unit and the daily report of the Pomorze Army Aviation. All the fuss is about a missing sentence, always added by Skalski, either I noticed a crash of the enemy aircraft or I did not notice a crash of the enemy aircraft. In his very detailed 1941 report Skalski described ultimate fate of his second victim and this caused libelling campaign of Mr Emmerling.

That is not true. There is no missing sentence. 1939 in the original combat record Skalski stated that the second enemy aircraft flew away in formation what means Skalski could not bring it down. In 1941 this aircraft susprisingly crashed on the ground. We have here two different statements. German documents confirm the report written 1939.



He accused Skalski of deliberate lie in order to increase his personal score and cannot understand that his views are unsupported by original Polish documents. I just only asked in not very diplomatic, however clear way not to repeat those false accusations.

I said Skalski colorized his report written 1941.



The best sample of how misleading such research is, is the case of Ju 87 losses on 4.09.1939. In his original article, Mr Emmerling based solely on his German sources (KTB of StG2 and a log book), claimed that the Germans lost 1 Ju 87 destroyed and 1 damaged in the battle over Poczałkowo. Polish documents clearly indicate, there were two battles and that one Ju 87 was destroyed in the first battle by Lachowicki-Czechowicz as confirmed by remains found on a crashsite, while the damage to another one must have occured in the second battle and description indicates it was Skalski the victor. Therefore it is obvious, the 'reliable and definite' (as Mr Emmerling claims) German sources are erroneous and not that complete.

Yes, in my article I did not wrote about two battles, because in both (between 12:30 and 14:30 ?) participated III./StG 2 and III/4. But in my answer to you I did. Nevertheless the German losses will remain the same: 1 Ju 87 totally destroyed and some more damaged. So what do you want? Should we speak about a battle (at appr. 12:30) where participated 3 PZL only?



He has written that Pniak downed a Ju 87 because Mr Emmerling was unable to find any Do 17s in the German documents but at the same time he does not have even KTB of ZG1 that could have been involved! I do not mention the fact, Mr Emmerling claims that Pniak saw his victim crashing in the wood despite actual report states something completely different - I may post a scan of the report if anybody is able to read handwritten Polish.

Pniak saw his victims crash on 2.9. and 4.9. as well. German documents shaw evidently that these planes in fact did not crash.
Yes the KTB of ZG 1 probably did not survive, but the German documentation was made on many stages (surfaces?). Concerning the total losses there is no lack of documentation despite of what many Polish historians wrote and now Franek is trying to tell us. As I wrote earlier I found the fate of almost all German planes lost 60-100% in September 1939. This means appr.290-295 of 303 (only the fate of some 10 Hs 126/He 46 remains a problem by now, but I am working on it).



Finally, there would be no comment on my side if Mr Emmerling had written, that according to the German documents losses on 2 and 4.09.193 were such and such. Unfortunatelly, he does not and continues with his offensive and ridiculous comments. Sometimes it looks the German pilots had a higher regard of Poles than Mr Emmerling himself.


Sorry, but I do not understand. It is clear that we are discussing about something based on German and Polish documents. So what are you writing about?



The point is not about possible overclaim but about making false claims.
Mr Emmerling accusses Skalski of making false claim in 1941 that resulted in crediting him with an extra victory. This is a very strong accusation, which perhaps should end up in a court, especially as Mr Emmerling is not going to understand that Skalski was credited with the victory in question already in 1939.

No Franek, that is not true. Skalski later colorized, that is all. As I remember Polish pilots reported on 2.9. about 7 claims at all, all against I./ZG 1. In September 1939 there existed no confirmation system comparable to German (RLM) or others. Polish claims were first "investigated" and confirmed by the Bajan Commission 1945. It is ridicule when you are stating plk. Stachon did confirm the claims (in September 1939) made by Skalski. So may I ask you how he did? Saw he the German wrecks or what exactly was going on? Even if General Eisenhower would confirm this claims, it would change nothing.


He is also not going to understand, that original Polish reports of 1939 were written in haste, are not clear and sometimes are confusing.

Why this? Do you mean other combat reports between 1939 and 1945 were not written in "haste"? What kind of argumentation is this?



His knowledge of Polish seems also to leave much to desire - he clearly does not understand what is written in the Polish documents.

Certainly. I always thought - when arguments would go to be rare, patriotic or even ridicule - that in the future somebody would write Emmerling is not understanding Polish language. Superb!



It looks like there is a white card lying on a table but the man is saying it is black.

For example?Page number?
By the way, where did I wrote about Polish pilots as cowards and murderers? I repeatedly ask for that, because you are making false propaganda here on the forum. I can answer to this by myself: I did nowhere.
The only one who did was Benno Wundshammer in his book "Flieger-Ritter-Helden" written in the war time. But he described the fight between Polish Pursuit Brigade and II./KG 26 on 6.9.1939. Even origin German documents confirm that Polish pilots shot at the parachuted air crews. The German investigation was stopped because no one of German air crews was sure to have seen that. But a Polish historians told me before some time that after the battle kpt. Kowalczyk (commanding IV/1) was very angry and disappointed about what his pilots did.
Nevertheless in my book Kampfflieger I commented the text (footnote), read it Franek.

Marius