[Laurent Rizzotti]

Thanks a lot John. The French researcher that pointed these two crashes to me will be happy.

Laurent

Edited: the Volskbund grave service agrees with your date (17/Oct/42). The four men above were killed at Nantes on this day and are buried in the German war cemetery of Pornichet, near La Baule.
A notable difference is that the second gunner name on the Volskbund is Max Springinklee rather than Otto Springinsklee in your list. I think the Volksbund is more accurate than loss lists.