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Old 17th June 2011, 07:51
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Re: First Luftwaffe aces to 100 kills in chronological order

Hallo Juha

Lipfert I have six u/c, but the three often thought to be confirmed at 01/04/44, 11/06/44 and 24/06/44. With Ubben Total 93, 76 East, 16 West, 1 viermot) 27/07/41, 01/10/41, 23/10/41, 24/02/42, 05/03/42, 12/03/42, 03/11/42, 05/11/42, 06/11/42 X 2, 11/12/42, 15/12/42 and 06/05/43...so pretty well spread. With Buhlighen(99+) I have eight u/c, and I believe he was probably active in 1945, so more likely 112 claims of which 104 were confirmed. With Sterr there is just not the number often quoted for him, with Sturm again not the number often quoted for him, however the Micro Films for this unit ease of Nov/Dec 1944 in a period when he should have been quite active, yet his wingmann reputed the total of over 150 and stated about 125! With Wolfrum and Lambert I have a document dated 17th April 1945 mentioning there totals as 134 and 103, with Rall one of his Eastern claims is not on the micro films, and moreover as the staffel's sequence of claim number are complete I assume it was not confirmed, Rall himself also confessed that he never completed the paper work for his last(as wounded), but it is known to have fallen. With Mayer I have put 102+ because there is a Micro Film that lists only Date and time, and there is one not listed on the complete micro films, and as Mayer is the only one claiming with the Staff of Jg2 I should think it was him, but can't be sure! Franz-Walter Woidich's(82) is most interesting his missing one's all appear in July 1944(I even have the dates), however these are ommitted in his own abschusse liste, moreover all his comrades appear in the micro films and only his are missing, also his claims appear very conservative and honest, yet in July 1944 they are explosive, and I think sombody has made them up! Dahl(90 total 56 East, 34 West, 22 viermots) I just don't know where the total comes from, possibly a points system! With Erhler I state 180+, I know he was active in October 1944 where he would have claimed more, but after this more he would have been engaged only in combat against Allied aircraft not Russian, and basically wasn't flying anyway! Philipp seems to have quite a few u/c. With Stotz there is a mention of him having 183 victories at an airfield, which is exactly the number I found on the micro films, with Kirschner again a number of u/c. With Galland the viermots he claimed on 09/10/43 and 08/03/44 x 2 were not on the micro films, yet he was very honest, but banned from combat and unable to submit the claims! With Fonnekold I actually found 134 in the East not 133, but no confirmed Mustangs on his last day(probably nobody could be bothered to do the paperwork).

This goes on endlessly, yet others like Hrabak are spot-on previous thoughts. must also remember that many were dead, there log-books lost, so how can say what the totals were, let alone the date of the 100th, many of those who survived were relieved of there log-books after the war by the American's, and have now been lost i.e Hartmann, Obleser e.t.c.

I'll be happy to answer anymore speciafic questions.

Kind regrads

Johannes
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