Smudger
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Originally Posted by Smudger Smith
I have said all along that all sides over-claimed, however when farcical numbers are continually used, i.e. the B17 raid which started this discussion, I personally feel that these figures are misleading and inaccurate and should were possible be amended.
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This will be opening of can of worms. I would like to note, that British WWI claims are a subject of similar debates. I suppose some scores of certain RAF aces could be put with a big question mark as well.
My point is that so many years after the war, with so many documents lost, we cannot prepare a complete and reliable list of German losses, not to mention circumstances of them. In the other words, we know that US gunners overclaimed heavilly, but we cannot say to which extent. We know they claimed 50 kills, but we cannot say if Germans lost nil, 5 or 10 aircraft to their actions. Hence any verification is not possible.
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Regarding the contribution of the Poles, I did not intent in anyway to tarnish their tremendous achievements, I just pointed out that certain ‘articles’ refuted the original claims made by the Poles. If you are willing to except over-claiming by others, why have you taken it upon yourself to question any criticism directed at the Poles, I quote your post..
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Please, re-read the quote carefully. I say that victories officially credited by various authorities should remain unchanged. My criticism is targeted to intentional distorting and manipulating documents or even providing unfounded statement in order to show Poles in a bad light. For example, a recent lenghty discussion on Skalski's claims. The opponent simply could not accept the fact that Skalski was credited with two victories already during Polish Campaign. You are from London, if you are willing to go on Princess Gate, I may provide you with a ref. no. of a respective document, so you can draw your own conclusions.
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I have enjoyed our discussion Franek, however I am sure we will both agree to disagree.
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I think it is not a matter of agreeing but a matter of misunderstanding.
Regards