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Originally Posted by Oberst
who's to say the USAAF are 100% accurate and 100% complete. NOBODY can say for certain. not you, not me, not the USAAF nor the Germans. I'm not saying that he killed 7 in two days. maybe damaged or something. maybe all, maybe half, maybe none.
cheers.
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No one is claiming anyone was 100 percent accurate. My concern is that you are now in a second thread looking for some missing information on the part of the 38 units instead of just accepting that the LW over claimed and then some on November 15 and 17.
If Bartels got anything, he got the one lost 38 that occurred over the 2 missions. But with 19 other claims, and the MACR saying it was lost to Flak, it makes it appear most likely he shot down nothing.
As for the 17th, it was the 82nd FG escorting B25s and they had no losses or damaged, claiming one Me 109 which appears to match up to the Luftwaffe loss that day.