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Old 28th September 2011, 21:05
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Re: German wrack from (germ.:Karsbach) and germ. Hinzendorf) in present in Poland

Dear Mike,

As I know JG3 in the half of 1944 changed some aircrafts from Bf109 onto FW190 so they could use in 1945 the parachute equipment on the FW190 A8.

Can anybody confirm this fact ?

Look here:
http://www.luftwaffe.be/miajg3.html

on the list from pilots:

25/12/44 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Nieman 14.Sturm/JG 3 Fw 190 A-8/R are mixed aircrafts and after


"15/03/45 Fw. Werner Martin Stab IV./JG 3 Fw 190 D-9 (211147) "

are only shot down FW190 , before Bf109.

In the end of II WW pilots could use on the FW the parachute equipment from Bf aircrafts.

As we see JG3 received in the half of 1944 new model of:

"..Flying modified Fw 190A-R8's with extra armour and wing-mounted 30mm MK-108 cannons, IV.(Sturm)/JG 3 became both renowned with the Lufwaffe and feared by the USAAF bomber crews. Oblt. Werner Gerth, Staffelkapitän 14./JG 3, was shot down 11 times and was finally killed when his parachute failed to open after ramming a B-17 (his 27th claim). Due to their added weight (some 400 lbs) and lack of speed, the Sturmböcke aircraft had to be escorted by conventional fighters. ..."

Please check also here:
http://www.cieldegloire.com/jg_003.php
info. for : 10./JG 3

26.1.44 - 26.2.44 Venlo Bf 109G
26.2.44 - 7.6.44 Salzwedel Bf 109G, Fw 190A
8.6.44 - 13.6.44 Dreux Fw 190A


and also:
http://www.combatsim.com/htm/oct99/sturm1.htm
http://www.combatsim.com/htm/oct99/sturm2.htm

and more:

"...By the end of April it had been decided to disband the Sturmstaffel, and to fold its pilots and aircraft in to IV.(Sturm)/JG 3 to set up the first Sturmgruppe, which would be fully equipped with the Fw 190.
Simply the heavily armored A-6, A-7..........very very few of these and the A-8/R2 and R8 were called Sturmjäger especially the A-8 variants. The other name was for a single aircraft called Sturmböck, more than one is Sturmböcke.

At first and for most of the career any A-6 and A-7 with the outboard 30mm's were called A-6/MK or A-6/R2 and the A-7/MK or R2 variants. For the A-8/R2 the first a/c had the upper 13mm machine guns in the cowling and then they were removed but there were some aerodynamic problems with open upper chutes so a new fairing was developed to counter the problem. The Variant was known as the R2 till in November-December 1944 the new standard sturm FW 190 coming off the lines were called A-8/R8's. They had the fairings on the cowlings as standard. In any case till the month of January 1945 you could heavy armed Focke-Wulf Sturm machines even with the upper 13mm's still installed, as well as the four 20mm and 13mms on the usually fitted A-8. Some of the Sturm pilots preferred no armor or extra 30mm canon so they could have better handling properties as well as take on the US P-51 escorts much easier.

Sturmjäger or Sturmböck was one and the same for the A-6 to A-8 variants. The A-7 was so rare I would not even call it that as it was distributed to other units. Sturmstaffel 1 was broken up into IV.Sturm/JG 3 on May 10, 1944. ..."

Source: http://www.germanaircraftwwii.com/bl...2-sturmjaeger/

Please remember that Stettin and Hydrikwerke from Politz was very often bombed by B17 (in 1944/45) so pilots from here needed the best version of aircrafts like new FW190 A-8/R2

Mike if as you write that parachutes as here below was used in Bf109:

http://files.homepagemodules.de/b208...359p1176n8.jpg
http://files.homepagemodules.de/b208...359p1176n1.jpg
http://odkrywca.pl/forum_pics/picsforum24/unfl.jpg
http://odkrywca.pl/forum_pics/picsforum24/3078.jpg

so how looks parachute for FW190 ?

Maybe you have right but can anybode from experts say something more ? Have somebody copy of Flugbuch with pilot Hans Bock from 1944/1945 year ?
Probably this document belong to him: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/war_...k_KWinkler.jpg

We are professional team ( http://pomorze1945.com/?co=&lang=EN ) and we trying id type of wrack and name of pilot - we are almost soure that pilot was killed there - for example see part of paraschute - can not left aircraft without this equipment. One of brackets was broken during crash - as view from photo: http://files.homepagemodules.de/b208...359p1176n8.jpg

Last edited by KrisJG3; 28th September 2011 at 22:34.
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