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Old 5th October 2011, 22:03
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Re: German wrack from (germ.:Karsbach) and germ. Hinzendorf) in present in Poland

By the way, here is list of pilots from our area around Stettin:






19/02/45 Ofw. Hans Kleinchen 15./JG 3 Fw 190 A-8 (739152) Unknown reason,area of Pyritz / Stargard
03/03/45 Gefr. Nettelmeier 2./JG 3 Bf 109 G- Reason and place unknown 03/03/45 Lt. Gerhard Büker 8./JG 3 Bf 109 G-10 (490151) Blue 12 + - Unknown reason,area of Freienwalde
03/03/45 Ofhr. Josef Zeiner 13./JG 3 Fw 190 A-8/R2 (680431) White 9 Jabo raid, unknown reason, area of Pyritz / Stargard
03/03/45 Fw. Werner Schanz 14./JG 3 Fw 190 A-8/R2 (682921) Black 10 Jabo raid, unknown reason, area of Pyritz / Stargard
05/03/45 Uffz. Schiefenhauer I./JG 3 Bf 109 G-14/AS Reason and place unknown
05/03/45 Gefr. Heinz Abitz 7./JG 3 Bf 109 G-14/AS (787486) Yellow 1 + - During a straffing, area of Naugard
05/03/45 Uffz. Ewald Czepa 12./JG 3 Bf 109 K-4 (330432) Blue 2 + | Combat with P-39S, W. Madüsee (area of Stargard)
09/03/45 Ofhr. Helmut Moll 11./JG 3 Bf 109 K-4 (332546) Yellow 4 + | Combat with LaGG-5, 15 km SE. Stettin
15/03/45 Fw. Werner Martin Stab IV./JG 3 Fw 190 D-9 (211147) Combat, area of Stettin (near Altdamm)
--/03/45 Fw. Josef Kroisenbrunner 14./JG 3 Fw 190 Unknown reason, area of Stettin
--/03/45 Oblt. Wolfgang Habrich 15./JG 3 Fw 190 Unknown reason,area of Stettin
--/03/45 Obgfr. Josef Kellner 15./JG 3 Fw 190 Unknown reason, area of Stettin
18/04/45 Lt. Baron 11./JG 3
20/04/45 Uffz. Hans Anders 14./JG 3 Fw 190 Combat with fighter
20/04/45 Uffz. Robert Canaris 14./JG 3 Fw 190 Reason and place unknown


Source: http://www.luftwaffe.be/miajg3.html

As you see list is long and not updated so in this case H. Bock not exist on the above list.
Maybe sombody can add missing pilots.


By the way we had also another pilot with name 'Bock' :

http://falkeeins.blogspot.com/2010/0...2-and-8r8.html

"...Uffz. Peter Bock of 8./JG300 in front of his 'schwarze 2' Fw 190 A-8/R2 seen in early 1945. Note the Panzerplatte side armour, the outer wing Mk 108 cannon bulges and the armoured windshield quarter pane. Bock claimed a P-51 on 14 February 1945 over the Chemnitz-Leipzig-Dresden sector ..."

and

"...
It should of course be born in mind that the 'R2' was the designation introducing the 'definitive' Sturm variant which entered service with IV.(Sturm)/ JG 3 during April/May 1944 when Sturmstaffel 1 was incorporated into the unit as 11./JG 3. II./JG 300 became a 'Sturmgruppe' some time in July 1944 ( the exact date is not known) while II./JG4 was not established until late July/ early August 1944 ..."

Look here and compare with link above :

http://robdebie.home.xs4all.nl/me163/pilots07.htm

"...

Although over 300 Me 163B's were produced (including a few Me 163-Cs with increased fuel), only 9 confirmed air victories were credited to JG 400 by the end of the war, for 14 Komets lost from all causes ( mainly crashes and accidents).
I./JG 400 was disbanded at Brandis in April 1945, while II. Gruppe disbanded at Husum. ..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagdgeschwader_400


see also this:


" ... Secondly, it is clear that Hauptmann Frömert was with the II. Gruppe of JG400. After training at Brandis, he went to Stargard, and then took part in the many relocations of II./JG400, to Bad Zwischenahn, Nordholz and finally Husum. Thirdly, the log identifies four code colors used on Komets: white, yellow, red and green. Red and green codes are quite rare it seems, the only other source listing them is Ransom's book about Brandis. ..."

http://robdebie.home.xs4all.nl/me163/pilots07.htm

it is very interesting that pilot Hauptmann Frömert - ... went to Stargard, and then took part in the many relocations of II./JG400
they could fly here together near Stargard and Altdamm with
Uffz. Peter Bock of 8./JG300 could be here in Pommeren in 1945 ????? IS it possible ?

Look pos. from 343:
http://robdebie.home.xs4all.nl/me163/pilots09.htm

also:

Lfd.
Nr. des
Fluges Führer Begleiter Muster Zu-
lassungs-
Nr. Flug Bemerkungen Zweck des Fluges Abflug Landung Flugdauer Ort Tag Tageszeit Ort Tag Tageszeit 341 Hptm Frömert Me110 weiße "8" Platzflug Stargard 23.12 10.45 Stargard 23.12 11:35 50' Tanken geflogen! 2 - " - " " Schleppflug " 25.12 11.35 " 25.12 12.15 40' Me163 = rote "8" 343 - " - Bf 108 "92" Überführung " 2.2.45 14.30 Altdamm 2.2.45 14.50 20' 4 - " - Hptm. Helwig Me110 D5+XZ Überführung Altdamm 4.2. 16.10 Neubrandenburg 4.2. 17.05 55'

http://robdebie.home.xs4all.nl/me163...e/pilot017.jpg

or look last table here:

http://robdebie.home.xs4all.nl/me163/pilots07.htm


why? -- .. Both
disbanded at Husum

Please see how much pilots there was with name 'Bock':

http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety...anPilotsB.html
but only one or to could be at our area near Stettin/Altdam/Stargard.

so in this case we will back with more pictures of wrack next time.

Last edited by KrisJG3; 6th October 2011 at 01:00.
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