[Larry Hickey]

Steve and Peter,

Thanks for your inputs. It turns out that I did have this info in the EoE Luftwaffe Loss DB. Our holdings on these two incidents:

"3 September 1939: 4./KG2 Dornier Do17Z. Damaged by AA fire during attack on fortifications south of Mlawa 5.20 p.m. and forced-landed at Bartenstein airfield following engine failure. (Ff) Uffz Karl Schiwek, (Beo) Uffz [ ] Heilmann, (Bf) Uffz Heinrich Suschka, and (Bs) Fw Johannes Ottlik unhurt. Aircraft U5+HM 30% damaged but repairable.

10 May 1940:4./KG2 Dornier Do17Z. Crashlanded at Ober-Esch (Germany) at 5.50 a.m. badly damaged by flak and Hurricanes over Thionville during sortie to attack Basse Yutz airfield near Diedenhofen airfield 4.30 a.m. Possibly that attacked by P/O Mould of No.1 Squadron. FF Uffz Karl Schiweck, and BF Uffz Heinrich Suschka both slightly wounded, BO Uffz Heinz Fischer believed unhurt. BM Fw Johannes Ottlik baled out over Chatel-Chéhéry and captured unhurt later released. Aircraft U5+HM 100% write-off. (Note: PC Comment: I think it’s very difficult to figure who shot planes of II/KG 2 and III/KG 3 down. I have the impression that 1 Sqn Capt Hanks, Lt Lewis, Lt Mould, 73 Sqn Kain and 87 Sqn F/O Mitchel were involved)."

What remains to be done is to locate the full name of Uffz [ ] Heilmann, and the W.Nr. of the a/c in the 3 Sept. 1939 incident (which may be the same for both). I'm attaching an enlargement photo of the tail of this a/c, which shows the W.Nr., which may begin with a "3." Can someone who is a W.Nr. expert on early Do17Zs interpret what the full W.Nr. is? I'm assuming that this a/c carries a red II Gruppe diagonal band on the nose, as was typical for the unit at that time, but the prop spinner in the photo puzzles me. It may be red (II Gr) with a white (4 Sta) tip, but the main color looks too light to be red to me. Is there any other reasonable interpretation of what that color would be?

You've all been great help here which is much appreciated.

Regards,