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Old 14th November 2005, 12:01
Franek Grabowski Franek Grabowski is offline
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Re: Interesting photograph of He 111 Sep-1939

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there was only one publisher in Poland (Robert Michulec of Armagedon) who wanted to bring out my book without "political" and "patriotic" corrections, the famous Polish point of view.
Apparently without language corrections as well.
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There was one another Polish publisher who wanted to start a project at the end of the nineties, created by me (for Luftwaffe) and Jerzy B. Cynk (for Polish AF). This project failed, because Cynk gave it up after a few weeks. About one year later Cynk`s work was published (unchanged) by AJ-Press.
It is no wonder.
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Yes, I know. But the Polish campaign part is completely based on the book published in Poland "Polskie lotnictwo mysliwskie w boju wrzesniowym". There are only few reliable Polish documents for this short war period and I mean it is truly impossible to write down the whole story without checking the German contrary.
Again, your lack of knowledge is appealing. Cynk did quite a research on Łoś bombers as well and this is included. It is still the best description of Polish Campaign in English.
Apart of that you have no slightest idea about survivng Polish documents and their reliability.
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And Franek one more important thing. It is not my personal way of showing the air war in Poland as well as not my personal war against Poles, but the story is told by origin German documents. I am only the one who is presenting these informations to people interested on this topic. If you don`t believe them? Okay, it is your decision.
I can make the difference between documents and your comments.
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If you say "my way" is not acceptable so at the same time you don`t accept other research or documents than Polish.
No, it is a matter of particular researcher. I have no such problems with Don Caldwell for example, although I do not agree with him with everything.
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The reason is clearly visible: if German documents does not confirm the Polish heroic and successful point of view (by the way the truth is - surely surprisingly for many people then - that Polish AF was in fact blown out from the sky in a very short time, wasn`t it?) so it is better for the German documents they would never exist. Right?
The problem is they do exist and you should better try to comment them and not say something like "it is unacceptable".
Well, it is not surprising you repeat Goebels' claims but it does not necessarily means it is truth. Actually, Luftwaffe was unable to wipe out Polish aviation up to the end of Polish Campaign, despite overwhelming numerical and technical advantage. It is a compromitation. Polish heroic and successfull point of view is that Polish aviation survived and even managed to inflict some losses. Your research just confirms that.
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I will tell you what is really unacceptable: to manipulate original documents or personal accounts to make the pilots victories more credible. I won`t start such a discussion again here, but you know what I mean.
As yet I see it is you, who manipulate and misquote Polish documents and publications.
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Besides German documents even the lone logic is showing us that the whole Polish AF was much too weak, the 160 fighters with its 2 small machine guns much too old and too slow.
Yes, indeed, and it is well known here since 1939.
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Many pilots were just "greenhorns", without expierence on the PZL P.11 (in schools they flew the older P.7).
Apparently you have no slightest idea about Polish fighter units, their pilots and their training. I have photos of training P.11cs likely taken in 1938. Apart of that, from pilot's point of view, both P.7 and P.11 were not that much different. Concerning pilots, those without much experience almost did not fly combat sorties. A good comparison is that of Skalski and Jaugsch of 142 Eskadra. Skalski flew a total of 26 hrs, which is quite impressive number for two weeks of flying. Jaugsch, relatively unexperienced pilot, flew one sortie IIRC.
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They never could have destroyed 100 or even more Luftwaffe aircraft.
Why is it so hard to accept?
But they could have well shot down as many. Why it is so hard to accept?