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Old 15th November 2005, 10:44
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Re: Lent papers - a question

Franek,

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 There is no evidence 114 Eskadra ever contacted enemy raid.
But it is most probably. If you have better informations so please give them to us.


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Do I have to entirely trust KTB if everything else fits perfectly?
Franek, nothing fits perfectly in your story. I think you are making a pretty show again here.

1.The author was never quoting the account or memories of Lt. Reither. So we do not know what Reither said or didn`t said.
2.The author never wrote it was a single Polish fighter. He wrote the aircraft was downed by Polish fighter, that`s a big difference and you know it.
3.The author means the Dornier was probably shot down by a pilot of dyon III/3 (Nowak). But Nowak shot down a Dornier of I./StG 76 in a completely different area. No word about Wroblewski.
4.The author never looked at any German document.
5.Even J.B.Cynk (Polskie lotnictwo mysliwskie...) is not confirming the date 13.9. and he is right. Look to the airfields where and when the unit was transferring to in those days. And look where Wroblewski started his mission. It was surely earlier than on 13.9.
6.What lone pilot attacked (mainly) the Do 17Z 3Z+KM? It was surely Wroblewski. The KTB`s report is confirming the whole observations of Wroblewski as he attacked. Wroblewski thought he hit the bomber because it changed course or accelerated and so on. According to the German document the pilot of the Dornier was flying higher, then he changed the course and so on - to allow the gunner taking the fighter under fire. Indeed both accounts very similar.
7.Wroblewski himself never reported about a confirmed victory, only a probable. The uncritical J.Pawlak (Polskie eskadry...) even added Wroblewski only one "damaged". Bajan`s commission victory list: completely nothing.
8.Kowalczyk wrote later the Polish pair did not contacted the enemy, because he wrote down only what he remembered. And that`s the problem with most Polish "documents" - we better should say memories - written after the Polish campaign. There is no serious comparison to German war diaries of the units.
9.We do not know any other mission flown by Polish fighters on this day. But we can assume there weren`t other missions flown, because Polish fighter units were constantly on the move in those days and almost completely without fuel.

The dates of missions, losses and victories in German war diaries are highly accurate. You cannot place the date at 13.9. because somebody remembered after many years it was 13.9.
So you furtheron mean your story fits perfectly?

Marius