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Originally Posted by Mirek Wawrzynski
About reports done by Soviet during the first weeks and month of war there are very difficoult find what exactly is a true there? In this part of air war commander Ptuchin was very soon arrested plus his chief of stuff by NKWD (both from political not any military reasons and again both were killed by NKVD on 23.02.42). New one had come on begining of July 1941 and he has done his report about losses on this front, if right remebr in August 1941?
This is similar case as Soviet reports from Wester Front (this was done on December 1941).
Anyway losses on the first day on South-Western Front were about 300 planes including 100 training, in was not so higfh, because there were over 2300 combat planes there.
Now better to see M. Solonin 2 books" "Nowja chronologia katastrofy vol. 1, vol. 2" 2010-2011, which is based on archiwal reports from regimenal and divisional level, he very good expalin this differences. On his www.side there were published some parts of both.
Regards,
mirekw |
Hello, Mirek
Very interesting information.
What I conclude form this is that the Soviet aircraft losses are more or less unrecorded for the entire time from Barbarossa until a summary was made sometime in December 1941?
Lately there has been a lot of comments on this board dismissing the Luftwaffe records as inaccurate etc, and several airmens personal integrity questioned based on the claimed aircraft not being present in the Soviet loss records.
I have tried for years to get someone (anyone) to come up with copies of the original allegedly fantastically detailed Soviet loss records, but it seems that no-one is able to get this? Is it because the facilities for copying/scanning/photographing the records at for example TsAMO is so bad? Or is it because the records are still not open to the public? Or is there another explanation?
I am sure that a lot of students of the aerial warfare during WW2 would be very interested in being able to research these records, and I know that some go to the TsAMO regularly.
Would it be possible for the members of this board that have been researching these records to give us at least an example of transcripts of the records available?
What about coverage? It now seems if I read your message correct that we can forget any level of information for Barbarossa up until Dec 1941. But what about the rest of the war? How and when did the Soviets record their losses?
I know that it is a lot of questions to answer, but as I am writing up my article on the loss reporting and resupply organisation of the Luftwaffe this summer it would be interesting to also have information from the adversaries on all fronts.
Regards,
Andreas B