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Old 27th January 2013, 16:32
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Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source

Hi there Anders,

Good point there! I've just checked my files and here are the results, taken only from the certainly identified W.Nr's in the 334 000 batch:

A. Mtt-"Bürg" fuselages low visibility camouflage scheme:

1. Bf 109 K-4 W.Nr. 334 156, Erfurt, Summer 1945. Mol and Janda 2000, p. 56.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625380126592

2. Bf 109 K-4 W.Nr. 334 158 "Weisse 7", 13./JG 27, Oblt. Ernst-Georg Altnorhoff, Achmer, March 1945. Source: Internet.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625380126592

3. Bf 109 K-4 W.Nr. 334 161, Mtt employee Martin Gattinger, Cham-Michelsdorf, March 1945. Mol and Janda 2000, p . 19.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625380126592

4. Bf 109 K-4 WNr 334 175, III./JG 51, Junkertroylhof, April 1945. Collection Aders, published in Prien & Rodeike 1995, p. 174.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625380126592

5. Bf 109 K-4 W.Nr. 334 176 "Gelbe 1" II./JG 3, Uffz. Martin Deskau, Pasewalk, March 1945. Collection Deskau, published in Hitchcock 1979, cover and p. 3
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625380126592/

6. Bf 109 K-4 W.Nr. 334 186, III./JG27, April 1945, Bykev. Rajlich, Kokoska and Janda 2001, p. 144.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625380126592

7. Bf 109 K-4 W.Nr. 334 209, unit unknown, Köthen, Germany, 15 April 1945. Source: Stockum Collection via stories.windmillpro.com.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625380126592

8. Bf 109 K-4 WNr 334 210 "Weisse 4" 11./JG. 3, Fw Strebel, Pasewalk, March 1945. Collection Suhr, published in Prien & Rodeike 1995, p. 174.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625380126592


B. Recycled "old" fuselage or other Waldwerk (?) high camouflage demarcation line:

1. Bf 109 K-4 W.Nr. 334 183, Kastrup, May 1945. Poruba and Mol 2000, p. 38.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625380126592

2. Bf 109 K-4 W.Nr. 334 265, Amberg-Schafhof, May 1945. Poruba and Janda 1997, p. 74.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625380126592

As always so far, not enough evidence... Still, there are more fuselages then the odd W.Nr. 334 265 case as shows W.Nr. 334 183 found in Kastrup. There might be a third case, the dismantled fuselage found and photographed in Fürth, W. Nr. 33? 234. What are the figures? Of the ten documented W.Nr's, eight are finished in the low-visibility camouflage typical of Mtt-Flossenbürg fuselages, and only two in the old Mtt camouflage style prominent in the 330 000 - 331 000 batches.

Is this enough of a clue? I'm unsure, Anders. Let's extend our search:
- Is there any clue this oddity repeats itself in the other documents production batches?
Interestingly, this is not the case: seventeen of the eighteen 332 000 batch W.Nr. known airframes and all the four 335 000 batch W.Nr. known airframes show the low visibility low-camouflage pattern. None sports the "old" high demarcation line on their fuselage which, by the way, is not documented beyond W.Nr. 331 413 so far. As an aside note , one can notice an "intermediate" fuselage camouflage demarcation line showing up in both 331 000 (one instance: W.Nr. 331 461 ) and 332 000 (one instance: W.Nr. 332 429) batches: the division line runs along the middle line of the fuselage Balkenkreuz.

Given this "global" view, the "old" high demarcation line shown both by W.Nr. 334 183 and 334 265 is something of a peculiarity: those airframes remain isolated and, maybe together with W.Nr. 33? 234 do speak more for a recycling of older airframes then the making of new ones. Let's now wait for another 200 photographically documented airframes before we can nail down for sure this lead;-))

Cheers
Marc

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