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Originally Posted by Skyraider3D
Every C-6 night fighter without gondola has Schräge Musik installed (but not the other way around). This does suggest, though admittedly doesn't confirm, there is a link between the two.
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http://crimso.msk.ru/Images6/MM/MM-100/0252-03-1-4.jpg
Not shure if that sentance makes much sense. Here "
link" between
Gondola and "
Schrägebewaffnung", seems be the
airframe of Ju 88 C-6 W.Nr. 088/751008 DU+GO (or I think it is this plane).
However since tonight I have been wondering on that "4R+AS" photo(s) (in the Squadron book, dismissing their origin -
Manfred Griehl ) or if this really is an aircraft "crashed 100%" on Sunday 30 January 1944, when the pilot baled out and the two other crew was killed, as Tobers crew is reported in Michael Balss "Deutsche Nachtjagd" (likely info from WASt NVM).
But this "4R+AS" appears not 100% destroyed,
and completly burned Ju 88s aircraft, where the tail only remained were "only" 95-99% destroyed. My take on it (this one in the picture) be maximum 50% damaged of airframe value. Fuselage appears certainly repairable. Also I see no (none whatsoever) .50 Cal strikes (no bullet holes at all? - if shot down by P-47 it must have been a very neat job.) In them other fotos, is that two crew wandering about? They certainly do look like aircrew. Not dead or injured then?
Taking good conservative look at left side photo. There seems be +ES on fuselage. And there is no "A" on nose. "Dirt triangle" is where nose cone plates parts joined. Dirt by the metal seams. On Flame Baffler plate left side look like digits 45 14xx, but too dark to tell realy. "A5 14xx" but then 14xx does not make sense. Also they do not make any sense at all related to any Ju 88 C-6 W.Nr. - Possibly fitting for an A-4, but barely. Question: "
Fritz kann ich Ihre Flamme Dämpfer Platte leihen". Answer: "
Ja".
Anyways. On Sunday 30. January 1944, the III/NJG 2 lost them R4+BS 751003, R4+CT 751017, R4+OT 750693, R4+LS 750811 (Tobers plane came down at "Wielen, south-east of Hardenberg" - if that is in Holland, Belgium or Germany, I am not entierly shure of) and R4+DS 70% damaged, all to USAAF P-47 Thunderbolts´s. Units base was in Gilze-Rijen, Venlo, so place of crash then in eastern Holland or Belgium?
Weather that day in northern Germany was: Sunshine: 0,0 hours in Hamburg area (and Germaniy in general), but some two-three hours in extreme west - Aachen area - Else the figures are explained in lower left coner. Tmax, Tmedium, Tmin, Rain, Snow etc.
http://i39.tinypic.com/2nc3rt1.jpg Obtained from here...
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten/fskldwd.html
Well according
Wikipedia "Jazz Musik" was just coming into service, already tested in Do 217 and others, like He 219, I suppose Bf 110 had them also but in Summer 1944 there was Intelligance coup as RAF found one in France.
Only DU+GO was planned delivered two days
after "4R+AS" was expended in
daylight combat. How stubit was that?
Well, details of DU+GO conversion were this: "2 x Jumo 211 J, planned for “Schrägbewaffnung (´Jazz´ upward firing armament) of 2 x MG 151, Plan for delivery (KdE Tarnewitz) about 01.02.44, in conversion to mid 03.1944, then to be used in testing to end of 06.1944 (rep as
G-6 751008 in Lieferplan 225/2, dated 24.04.44)
Here the typist made error. Version was C-6 (not G-6, as them only appearing in June 1944) as the type of engines (Jumo 211 J) confirm. I gather this was one of the prototypes for Ju 88 C-6 for the armament?
At least this one is the earliest I have found referred to with this installation.
Was there a hoard of Ju 88´s with Jazz Musik already available in January 1944? Is that really "4R+AS"? We know for a fact code on the NJG 2 Ju 88 C-6´s was R4+ untill summer 1944 (not 4R+ ) so, is that text below that photo reliable at all. Was this realy Tobers plane, or another crashed later?
-Ed