Re: German overclaims in the East. Hartmann and others...
hi,
Nick see this pilot:
4./JG 77 Ofw 28 7 41 I-16 Wintergerst Eugen Near Gerasovka 1643 _____ E N 1 ___ _____
4./JG 77 Ofw 9 8 41 SB-2 Wintergerst Eugen 1903 _____ E N 2 ___ _____
4./JG 77 Ofw 9 8 41 SB-2 Wintergerst Eugen _____ _____ E N u/c ___ _____
4./JG 77 Ofw 9 8 41 SB-2 Wintergerst Eugen _____ _____ E N u/c ___ _____
4./JG 77 Ofw 9 8 41 SB-2 Wintergerst Eugen _____ _____ E N u/c ___ _____
4./JG 77 Ofw 11 8 41 SB-2 Wintergerst Eugen _____ _____ E N u/c ___ _____ 5 SBAP? Can't find any losses so this may be overclaiming
4./JG 77 Ofw 11 8 41 SB-2 Wintergerst Eugen _____ _____ E N u/c ___ _____ 5 SBAP? Can't find any losses so this may be overclaiming
4./JG 77 Ofw 12 8 41 SB-2 Wintergerst Eugen _____ _____ E N u/c ___ _____ SB (deputy AE co.) Kapt Sergey Dmitrievich Pyaskovskiy (survived shoot down)
4./JG 77 Ofw 12 8 41 SB-2 Wintergerst Eugen _____ _____ E N u/c ___ _____ SB (3 AE) Lt Petr Tikhonovich Yanychev (MIA)
4./JG 77 Ofw 12 8 41 SB-2 Wintergerst Eugen _____ _____ E N u/c ___ _____ SB (3 AE; flight co.) Lt. Vasiliy Mikhayovich Beloborodov (MIA)
4./JG 77 Ofw 12 8 41 SB-2 Wintergerst Eugen _____ _____ E N u/c ___ _____ SB (1 AE) Lt. Moisey Abramovich Khvatan (MIA)
4./JG 77 Ofw 12 8 41 SB-2 Wintergerst Eugen _____ _____ E N u/c ___ _____ SB (1 AE) Lt. Petr Ivanovich Shuenkov (MIA)
4./JG 77 Ofw 12 8 41 SB-2 Wintergerst Eugen _____ _____ E N u/c ___ _____ SB (1 AE) Lt. Mikhail Ivanovich Yakunin (MIA)
4./JG 77 Ofw 12 8 41 SB-2 Wintergerst Eugen _____ _____ E N u/c ___ _____ Also 3 SB damaged and made forced landings.
4./JG 77 Ofw 19 8 41 I-16 Wintergerst Eugen 1558 _____ E N 3 ___ _____ 9 IAP. Two losses: Mladshiy Leytenant Valentin Kalashnikov KIA and pilot Minkin WIA
4./JG 77 Ofw 27 8 41 SB-3 Wintergerst Eugen 710 _____ E N 4 ___ _____ VVS ChF. Two DB-3Fs down plus one SB forcelanded in friendly territory near Odessa after engagement with Bf109s. These losses are possibly also attributable to Romanian pilots
4./JG 77 Ofw 27 8 41 SB-3 Wintergerst Eugen 713 _____ E N 5 ___ _____ VVS ChF. Two DB-3Fs down plus one SB forcelanded in friendly territory near Odessa after engagement with Bf109s. These losses are possibly also attributable to Romanian pilots
4./JG 77 Ofw 22 9 41 MiG-3 Wintergerst Eugen 1540 _____ E N 6 ___ _____
4./JG 77 Ofw 23 9 41 MiG-3 Wintergerst Eugen 1720 _____ E N 7 ___ _____
9./JG 1 Lt 30 7 43 P-47 Wintergerst Eugen See into the sea 1042 5500 W J 8 ___ Was this 42-7935 of 84th FS, 78th FG? Lt. James F Byers KIA (shot down over the Zuider Zee, attributed to a collision). Six fighters lost this day
many unconfirmed claims, Anton Mader didnīt belive these, but i see in a web that they found all wrecks in a row so....
if this info is true, why unconfirmed?
or possibility that the wrecks of Hrdlicka's and Friedrich's victims were miscounted and included in Wintergerst's tally
or my info is totally incorrect...
the info of the losses is from Nick Hector,
regards
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