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Old 5th February 2014, 11:57
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Re: German overclaims in the East. Hartmann and others...

Thanks Nikita, this is great! Kotlyar was the only 149. GvIAP loss I got from TsAMO for November 13th. He was lost on the 15:55-16:50 (Moscow time) Jászberény-Pusztamonostor mission from the flight of 8 (4+4) Yaks at 3000 m. Flight leaders were gv.l-t Otar Demidovich Kadagidzhe and gv.st.l-t Vladimir Mihailovich Kalchenko. Kalchenko downed a Bf 109, Kadagidzhe a Fw 190. Kotlyar was missing in Yak-1 No.11186. (The 11th plane of batch No.186)
How many 149. GvIAP Yaks flew the 14.20-15.20 (12:20-13:20 local time) mission and who were the flight leaders? What opposition they fought? Any data on Stepanov's engine-serial? Thanks,

Gabor

Overall this just confirms that Lipfert's claims were very accurate. I start to believe that (IN REAL, not in office papers!) Lipfert (and maybe others too) downed many more planes than Hartmann... It was just a propaganda.
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