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Re: German overclaims in the East. Hartmann and others...
Hi, all.
Sorry for my bad english, I use translator.
I am interested in the details of air battles 23 and 27 October 1944:
In the first case H. Lipfert said two victories (148 - 149 Il 2; 15.31-32 local time), but ltn. Peter Düttmann and obfhr. Steins also downed Il 2 in this dogfight (Steins claim 15.33, Düttmann claim 15.34 local time)
In total, according to the German data, were downed four IL 2.
What is the real lost Il 2 in this combat for all reasons (fighters, AAA) ? Can we assume claims Steins and Düttmann reliable?
In the second case, 27 October, H. Lipfert very recounts in his memoirs about the dogfight with Il 2 and two fighters (probably, Yaks). Lipfert downed Il 2 (12.17 local time) and one of the fighters (12.21 local time), and his wingman Steins downed the second fighter (12.18 local time). Later Lipfert personally inspected the wreckage and the dead pilots (one of the fighter pilots was HSU).
In russian reports (5, 17 VA) should contain information about the losses (Il2, Yak, La) that day. Maybe, there were shot down not Yaks and other types of fighters (eg. La 5, P 39) ? Maybe, being lost aircrafts carried on the next day (eg 28.10.44) ?
Interesting details combat sortie Il 2KR (207 OKRAP), under what circumstances it was lost ?
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