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Old 13th February 2014, 01:29
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Wink Re: German overclaims in the East. Hartmann and others...

hi,
sorry about the time of respond, about Duttman the huge claims unconfirmed he had seems suspect or at least curious to me, some of you have were unconfirmed but...... bad, very bad info...

1,11.44 6./JG 52 Lt Yak-9 ostlich Kecskemet E Kecskemet 1402 3500 E N.B N u/c Found no permanent loss, probably just damaged
1,11.44 6./JG 52 Lt Yak-9 nordlich Kecskemet N Kecskemet 1403 2000 E J 117 Yak-1B, S/N: 08175, 5 VA, 6 GvIAD, 73 GvIAP, gv.l-t Andrianov (POW)
1,11.44 6./JG 52 Lt Yak-9 sudsudwestlich Abony SSW Abony 1405 3500 E J 118 Found no permanent loss, probably just damaged
1,11.44 6./JG 52 Lt Yak-9 sudlich Nagykoros S Nagykoros 1406 2500 E J 119 x2 Umlaut
1,11.44 6./JG 52 Lt Il-2 ostlich Kecskemet E Kecskemet 1409 1000 E J 120
7,11.44 6./JG 52 Lt La-5 nordnordostlich Abony NNE Abony 1605 1700 E J 121 Found no permanent loss, probably just damaged
13,1.44 6./JG 52 Lt Yak-11 sudsudwestlich Tapio Szele SSW Tapio Szele 902 4000 E J 122 Found no permanent loss, probably just damaged, reported time is 1-2 hrs. wrong!
13,11.44 6./JG 52 Lt Yak-11 sudsudwestlich Tapio Szele SSW Tapio Szele 905 4000 E J 123 Found no permanent loss, probably just damaged, reported time is 1-2 hrs. wrong!
13,11.44 6./JG 52 Lt Il-2 nordlich Jaszbereny N Jaszbereny 1220 1500 E J 124 Found no permanent loss, probably just damaged, closest reported hr. is 1.5 hrs. apart!
8,3.45 5./JG 52 Lt Yak-3 sudwestlich Aba 3km SW Aba 1624 _____ E N 125 Yak-3, S/N: 310099, 17 VA, 288 IAD, 866 IAP, ml.l-t Yablochkin, KIA
8,3.45 5./JG 52 Lt Yak-3 sudlich Aba 4km S Aba 1627 _____ E N 126 Found no permanent loss, probably just another (damaged) 866 IAP - Yak-3 from the same flight.
9,3.45 5./JG 52 Lt La-5 ostlich Kaloz 12km E Kaloz 1351 _____ E N 127 Found no permanent loss, probably just damaged
9,3.45 5./JG 52 Lt Il-2 ostlich Kaloz 18km E Kaloz 1353 _____ E N 128 IL-2m3, S/N: 11610, 17 VA, 136 ShAD, 210 ShAP, ml.l-t Indyushkin - Krasilnikov crew KIA
11,3.45 5./JG 52 Lt Yak-9 sudostlich Kaloz 6km SE Kaloz 1321 _____ E N 129 Found no permanent loss, probably just damaged, reported hr. is too late!
11,3.45 5./JG 52 Lt Yak-9 Szebed SW Szebed 1323 _____ E O.Z N u/c Found no permanent loss, probably just damaged, reported hr. is too late!
11,3.45 5./JG 52 Lt Yak-9 Polgardi S.Polgardi 1326 _____ E O.Z N u/c Found no permanent loss, probably just damaged, reported hr. is too late!
14,3.45 5./JG 52 Lt Boston nordlich Aba 8km N Aba 1255 _____ E N 130 A-20G-40-DO, S/N: 43-21519, R-2600-23 engines: 43-105954 and 43-105698 at Pálinkaházpuszta, Seregélyes-SW, 17 VA, 244 BAD, 861 BAP (l-t Bahvalov - l-t Mayorov - c-a Zolotov - e-p Solianik crew, all 4 KIA. This soviet Boston has been found, recovered and identified by a nice data-plate just a few years ago. Plane exploded still in the air and remains covered the fields below. Flight of sixteen 17 VA, 861 BAP A-20 Bostons with the cover of only 2 (!) Yaks...)
16,3.45 5./JG 52 Lt Il-2 Pakozd 6km Pakozd 1355 _____ E O.Z N u/c Found no permanent loss, probably just damaged, probably from the formation of the 989 ShAP.
16,3.45 5./JG 52 Lt Il-2 Stuhlweissenberg N Stuhlweissenberg 1356 _____ E O.Z N u/c Found no permanent loss, probably just damaged, probably from the formation of the 989 ShAP.
16,3.45 5./JG 52 Lt Il-2 sudwestlich Pakozd SW Pakozd 1358 _____ E N 131 Found no permanent loss, probably just damaged, probably from the formation of the 989 ShAP.
16,3.45 5./JG 52 Lt Il-2 nordwestlich Pakozd 3km NW Pakozd 1359 _____ E N 132 Found no permanent loss, probably just damaged, probably from the formation of the 989 ShAP.
16,3.45 5./JG 52 Lt Il-2 nordostlich Pakozd 6km NE Pakozd 1401 _____ E N 133 IL-2m3, S/N: 18874124, 17 VA, 136 ShAD, 989 ShAP - ml.l-t Zaharov (WIA) - Iashin (WIA) crew.
18,3.45 5./JG 52 Lt Yak-3 Kaloz SE Kaloz 1405 _____ E O.Z N u/c Jak-3 - No idea. Potential victory, but lack of info. 3 Yak losses this day.
19,3.45 5./JG 52 Lt Il-2 nordwestlich Stuhlweissenberg NW Stuhlweissenberg 1152 _____ E N 134 Found no permanent loss at 11:52, probably just damaged. Many IL-2 losses this day, but all with 2-3 hrs. difference!
19,3.45 5./JG 52 Lt Yak-3 nordlich Stuhlweissenberg N Stuhlweissenberg 1456 _____ E N 135 Found no permanent loss, probably just damaged
19,3.45 5./JG 52 Lt La-5 sudsudwestlich Stuhlweissenberg SSW Stuhlweissenberg 1503 _____ E N 136 La-5FN, S/N: 39211166, 17 VA, 295 IAD, 116 IAP, ml.l-t Ozhiganov (MIA)
20,3.45 5./JG 52 Lt P-51 Veszprem 10km WSW Veszprem 1405 _____ W O.Z N u/c Found no permanent loss, probably just damaged


claims info from Johannes... losses from your info,
see the huge unconfirmed...

regards
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