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Re: German overclaims in the East. Hartmann and others...
About other pilots i only say some little info about Thyben, general info in some cases, but gives a relative idea of the claims and Russian casualties:
5,6.44 5./JG 54 Lt La-5 Ostsee 90km nordöstlich Kunda Baltic Sea 90km NE Kunda 1126 4200 E J 44 3 losses, (3 GIAP-KBF. Losses include Kapitan Aleksandr Andreevich Troshin KIA this info from Nick Hector)
10,10.44 7./JG 54 Lt Yak-9 07 653 955 1000 E J 101 Overclaim on Libau only lost two Yak-9 JG54 claimed 4. (Day's Yak losses include Major Ivan Konstantinovich Golovatyuk of 66th GvIAP KIA (believed by JG 54, Kretinga-Memel area) this info from Nick Hector)
10,10.44 7./JG 54 Lt Pe-2 raum 15km südöstlich Libau 15km SE Libau 1015 1200 E J 102 Overclaiming? only 7 Pe-2 lost, JG54 claimed 19!?
30,10.44 7./JG 54 Lt Pe-2 raum 20km südöstlich Libau 20km SE Libau 1158 3800 E J 112 Claimed 15 Pe-2 vs 10 no return
30,10.44 7./JG 54 Lt Pe-2 raum 20km südlich Libau 20km S Libau 1200 1500 E J 113 Claimed 15 Pe-2 vs 10 no return
23,11.44 7./JG 54 Lt Il-2 Rigaischer Meerbusen nordöstlich Windau Gulf of Riga NE Windau 820 10 E J 116 Ltn. Thaler and Thyben claims are correct: 2 Il-2 (35.ShAP 9.ShAD Baltic Fleet Air Forces) shot down
14,12.44 7./JG 54 Lt Il-2 07 632 1216 _____ E N 117 (47th and 8th Guards Assault Regiment lost 13 Il-2 and 11 crew members), including Col. Nelson Stepanyan at 1412 hrs, 8-10km N of Libau (2 x Hero of the Soviet Union). Seven other crews KIA. 10 other IL-2s damaged, 1 Yak-9 and two A-20s lost to flak
14,12.44 7./JG 54 Lt Il-2 07 661 1224 _____ E N 118 (47th and 8th Guards Assault Regiment lost 13 Il-2 and 11 crew members), including Col. Nelson Stepanyan at 1412 hrs, 8-10km N of Libau (2 x Hero of the Soviet Union). Seven other crews KIA. 10 other IL-2s damaged, 1 Yak-9 and two A-20s lost to flak
some bad but also some good....interesting posting
kind regards
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