[John Manrho]

To Tony;

Stab II./JG 77 flew with all Staffeln (5. 6. and 7.). I do not believe a 8. Staffel existed yet. Take off with 26 Bf 109 from Werl at 08.40 hours (one hour time difference with GMT so this is 07.40 hours Allied time). Losses were;

Lt. Lothar Peemüller (5. Staffel), killed, near Borken.
Hptm. Franz Hrdlicka (5. Staffel), wounded, 6 km south Bocholt.
Uffz. Walter Quandel (5. Staffel), slightly injured, 6 km south Arnhem.
Uffz. Franz Gollner, (5. Staffel), killed, Raum Arnhem-Nijmegen.
Uffz. Hans Röhrig (5. Staffel), killed, near Lobith.
Gefr. Horst Ullmann (5. Staffel), killed, Doornenburg (recovered 1993).
Gefr. Alfred Hoffschmidt (6. Staffel), wounded, Raum Nijmegen.
Uffz. Herbert Plackmeyer (6. Staffel), killed, near Borken.
Uffz. Franz Mayer (6. Staffel), missing, Raum Nijmegen.
Fj.Fw. Klaus Rüter (7. Staffel), killed, near Rhede.

II./JG 77 also claimed two Spitfires. One by Maj. Freytag (at 09.23 hrs, being 08.23 hrs Allied time) and by Uffz. Quandel at 10.00 hrs. As Uffz. Quandel was shot down also his claim must have been reported after his return to the Gruppe. Time might be approximate.

To Franck,

My statement was a general one and not specific directed to you. Also nothing to do with if I wrote a book or not. It is about doing proper research. I have noticed lately that many people on this forum only do "desk" research and not serious research. It are those that "demand" proof from the serious researcher to substantiate statements. I particular did not like the "brownish" discussion on LEMB and TOCH. Unfortunately several people who do serious research are not on this forum anymore. Why would that be?

Concerning this discussion, indeed I should have been more clearer in my initial contribution to explain why I reached that conclusion. But, on the other hand.....why would I bother answering questions at all........

Regards,

John.