[kolya1]

Hi,

About the soviet losses :

In the East the soviets lost about 46,100 aircrafts in combat (Fighters, AAA, destroyed on the ground, and not returned)...

To all causes : 106,400 (includes all other causes among which accidents and, mostly, worn-out planes).

the 46,100 include : 10,000 bombers, 12,400 Shturmoviks, 20,700 fighters, and 3,000 training or civilian planes (probably includes transports).

the 60,300 non-combat losses include : 7,900 bombers, 11,200 Shturmoviks, 26,100 fighters, and 15,100 civilian or training planes.

In 1941 : combat losses : 10,600 (accounting for 57 % of combat types losses and 9 % of other aircraft losses).

In 1942 : combat losses : 9,100 (64,5 % and 50 %).

In 1943 : combat losses : 11,700 (50 % and 11,9 %).

In 1944 : combat losses : 10,400 (39,1 % and 12 %).

In 1945 : combat losses : 4,300 (37,3 % and 8,7 %).


I am using the figures given in Krivosheyev's on-line book, because they mostly correspond with what I found in other sources : in books or on the net...

P.S. : An important point concerning the human losses : I don't know much details about these but I would like to ask if somebody knows about Il-2 gunners'losses, because it has often been said that these were 7 or even 10 times heavier than those of the pilots, but I didn't find any evidence of this : veterans and regiments records state that from the time by which they received two-seat aircrafts, the losses in gunners were higher than those of the pilots but with a ratio of no more than about 2:1, which is partly explained by the lack of protection of the gunner, and partly because a plane can fly back with a dead gunner while it is more difficult to do that with a dead pilot...

So does anybody has overall figures that could validate or invalidate my impression that the 7 or 10:1 loss ratio is no more than a myth ?