[Franek Grabowski]

Steve
Complaints about stretched formations continued, it was particularly dangerous during jet attacks, when escort had a very little time to react.
One interesting question is communications between bombers and escorts, I do not recall any comments in this regard but a short note of bomber leader contacting escort leader on 9.04.1945 raid to Hamburg and Vereys.
I see that nobody replied your original question - I am not sure what Americans had been doing but I do not think that escort methods changed since 1942/43 Ramrods. There was more stress on advanced sweeps, possible due to Mustangs but otherwise I think it was the same job. I have some sketches of formations somewhere.
By the way, do you have any accounts of the 218 Sqn pilot somehow recorded?

Kjetil
I clearly see there is a different science in Norway. In civilised world opinions are neither proofs nor evidence and opinions to contrary must be discussed.
Olve presented here his own opinions as facts and completely dismissed opposite evidence. Science, huh?

1. "I see no evidence that 315 performed badly on this mission. "
Hm, escort not seen by enemy nor the bombers, seems to me they did performed rather badly!! Or do we have different understanding of what "escort" means?

I suggest to read something about escort controversies involving Galland or Doolittle.

2. "I see the mission did not went entirely according to plan, but perhaps those were planners responsible, who send only one Squadron to escort such a big formation?"
If they had BEEN there that would surely have helped, no?? Or do you blame the bombers who outran their escort or wouldn't stay in formation with them?? This is getting stupid, Franek. Besides, you have not a shread of evidence that there was fautly planning here, yet you want us to forego all the evidencewe have presented to support our side have and beleive your "perhaps"???!! Not gonna happen, Franek.

I do not have any evidence of bad planning in this case. I am awared of bad planning during eg. 7.12.1944 strike raid, conclusions being drawn immediatelly. I have seen plans and tactical instructions for various missions. My experience tells me, that without knowledge of the plan, any accusations are out of place.
As yet you have not provided ANY evidence 315 Sqn obeyed orders.

3. "The fact that some people have not seen them is no proof of anything."
Kind of proves they were not there, doesn't it?? Or would you claim they were there but did not attack??! I dare not make such a claim myself.

Well, I am wondering, why cannot you understand that simple fact, that according to both ORB and a pilot taking part in the mission, the Lancasters were flying over such a large area, they were unable to cover them? Does not fit to your theories?

4. "Standard procedure was to climb into the sun to avoid surprising attack and orbit. It is obvious this tactics could not work with so many Lancasters flying on their own and the escort was not adequate. Comparison to other attacks is not fair either. Any daylight attack involved several Squadrons flying diversions, sweeps, close escorts, top covers, etc."
Flying on their own!????? Are you really suggesting the Lancaster did not want escort and wanted to be left alone? But at least you now admit the escort was not adequate. Also see below.

Of course the escort was not adequate. Almost 40 Lancasters covered by 11 Mustangs, do you consider this a proper escort? A proper operation should involve at least two Wings of Mustangs flying both escort and sweeps. But to realise that you should have a basic knowledge on planning and execution of such operations, which apparently you are lacking.

5. "Daylight and night flying were two entirely different things and generally RAF BC pilots lacked experience in this regard."
But not the Squadrons in question here as I tried to tell you. This argument doesn't hold water, Franek.

The argument entirely holds water, as there was a completely different escort on operations to Western Europe.

6. " Nobody is going to cover anything but there must be some proofs and not conclusions drawn on vague arguments."
We have interviews with allied and German aircraft who were there that dy, we have ORBs, we have statements and circumstantial evidence up or asses - hardly vague arguments, Franek. Except to you.

Apparently you do not have ORB of 315 Sqn and did not interview any pilots of the unit, do you? You do not have mission plan, do you? You do not have court of inquiry findings, do you?
You just draw your conclusions based on pieces of evidence and another conclusions, that is all. Call it 'your science' but not science.

Olve
Apart of comments to Kjetil.

Yes a good day for 315 Sqn (as always for every polish or polish related pilot who have ever walked this earth)

I see this comment being racially or nationalistically biased and I think Ruy should intervene.