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Re: 5 October 1944 - claim for a P_38/F-5 C
Jochen,
This is not my area of study but I have long been interested in the P-38 and Me 262.
The very fine 7th PG history 'EYES OF THE EIGHTH' by Patricia Fussell Keen records the other pilot, Lt. Robert W. Hall, on return stated he (Hall) had been attacked by a "fast twin-engine fighter" and that 'Intelligence' (sic) "confirmed that the plane was a jet-propelled Me 262". Murray at some later time described his experiences at length of being shot down and especially as an evader. Murray indicates he was shot down by 'jets' rather than piston-engine fighters, but in no great detail.
'THE ME 262 COMBAT DIARY' (2nd edition) by John Foreman and S.E. Harvey is somewhat unclear. They state Murray was shot down by a Me 262, possibly Eder, "who is known to have claimed a Lightning early in the month" and "However, another source suggests that it may be a rare kill by I./KG(J)51". In a list of Me 262 pilot claims Eder is shown under 6 October 1944 claiming a Lightning. The same list has him claiming two B-17s on October 4th, but his unit is given as 'Ekdo 262'. Perhaps he was still with the latter unit on October 6th ?
I have no idea of the author's source material for the above, but they certainly researched the subject for many years.
One small correction. The F-5C-1-LO 42-67128 was named 'Dot + Dash' with very elaborate paintwork to go with it. (A photo of this aircraft appears in 'LIGHTNING STRIKES', July 2011 in a piece by Steve Blake describing the history of this very machine).
Regards,
Martin Gleeson.
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