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Re: Combat loss of 3./JG 50 on October 21st, 1943
Gentlemen,
I feel that the discussion has somehow drifted away from the actual question that I raised regarding a loss report of an a/c of 3./JG 50. So let us try to return to the original issue.
I have meanwhile established some more facts but have yet to solve the basic problem as to where this loss belonged to. The correct location of the crash was not Kloster Chumb - which doesn't exist but is based on just another typo - but Kloster Kumbd, some 5 km north of Simmern / Hunsrück or 50 - 60 km west of Wiesbaden, the base of JG 50. Next - the reason of this loss was reported as aerial combat in the GQM report but there is another source that stated involuntary ground collision as the reason of the crash.
Now, this seems to leave us with two possibilities - either it was in fact a fatal accident by a pilot of 3./JG 50 crahing into the ground due to bad visibility prevailing that day or it was a loss of III./JG 301, a night fighter Gruppe then sharing its a/c with JG 50 at Wiesbaden. This Gruppe was in action against an RAF raid aiming at Leipzig in the night of October 20th / 21st. The fact that remains is that neither JG 50 nor JG 301 filed a loss return that would have survived to this day at the WASt. in Berlin.
As far as the loss reported by II./JG 53 on December 16th, 1943, is concerned it is quite obvious to me that the GQM report is wrong with respect to the WerkNr.; the correct no. should read 140 085.
So let's concentrate on the loss of Uffz. Paul Ullrich on October 21st, 1943 - any further help would be much appreciated.
Jochen Prien
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