[Andreas Brekken]

Hi, guys.

Sorry mr. Prien, do not want to drift away from your original question here, but just want to make a small point with regards to the consensus on the aircraft from J.G.53:

As long as we do not have further contemporary information with regards to thius airframe, I find that it is dangerous to state that the aircraft was a G-6 with WNr 140 085.

It is definitely possible that the unit reported the wrong aircraft subtype also, and that the record should read Bf 109 G4 15085.

In fact, another aircraft in the same range is reported as being a G-6/trop in the loss records.

So - we have to attach a questionmark with regards to this aircrafts identity in my opinion.

Regarding the missing Namentliche Verlustemeldung at WASt. There is a slight possibility that this could exist in other files, as the routine made it clear that the Namentliche Verlustemeldung auf Vordruck II gem L.Dv.1000 should be sent in 5 copies, to the following instances:

1 x to the Luftflotte using appropriate line of command
1 x to the Wehrmachtauskunftstelle für Kriegsverluste und Kriegsgefangene (we know it as WASt)
1 x to the Ob.d.L.Genst.Gen.Qu.6.Abt.
1 x to R.L.M. L.P.Chefabteilung
1 x to the commanding unit for filing

As it seems it is not at the WASt, the files of the L.P. is most probably the place to look for this needle in a haystack. The chance that you will never find it is of course very high, but I thought I should share this 'Verteiler' to show that the possibility to find relevant records outside of the WASt is there.

If the unit forgot alltogether to file a Namentliche Verlustemeldung, the only thing we will have is this Qu.-Meldung, and the rest of the story must be researched using probably local sources in the area.

I think I should travel by this place next time I go to Germany, usually land at Frankfurt-Hahn, and drive past Simmern on my way south to Freiburg. Do you have the exact geo coordinates for this Kloster Kumbd, mr. Prien? I think I have found it using Google Earth, at 50 deg 1 min 42.60 sec N, 7 deg 31 min 32.13 sec E.

It is of course a longshot, but would local records from this place maybe have information about the incident?

Regards,
Andreas