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Out from "JG-51 Chronik" by Aders/Held (Motorbuchverlag):
Sorry too less time for translating:
Page 55: " Anerkennung eines Abschusses ohne Zeugen gab es, soweit bekannt, erst ab Sommer 1943 (Schlacht um Kursk), allerdings erst mit dem Vorbehalt " einer endgültigen Nachprüfung nach Kriegsende"."
Lipfert i don't find , sorry i am searching, but i remember situation he described. He describes in his book, he had to escort german bombers. He gets in dogfights with russian fighters and following one of these. He shoot down the russian fighter and "hätte den Abschuß ohne Zeugen anerkennen lassen müßen"(had to get confirming without witnesses), if not his chief Barkhorn had seen it and made the witness. In the same time Barhorn was a little bit angry with Lipfert cause he left formation and bombers for a kill.
Hartmann Tolliver/Constable: Page 100 described how Hartmann made kills and tells no one, cause he researched an enemy airfield. This is also happend at 2.10.43 were Hartmann killed one Lagg-3 and one Pe-2. Rall could only confirm the kills, coming too late. These were also stated as Hartmanns kills No. 118 and 119 (LaGG-5 and Pe-2) at Page 337.
Rall however challenges this perspective (page 181 Rall "Mein Flugbuch") he described Hartmann get no kills in this sortie. Also he described that he did the kills, his 201. and 202. ( 2 times La-5 according to Ralls Flugbuch). In an annotation he tells explicit that Hartmanns book (Tolliver/Constable) is not right.
Interesting what claim films show:
02.10.43 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 LaGG 58 833 at 5.000 m. 08.40 Film C. 2035/I Anerk: Nr. 1217
02.10.43 Ltn. Erich Hartmann 9./JG 52 Pe-2 58 762 at 6.500 m. 08.50 Film C. 2035/I Anerk: Nr. 1218
It also shows no kills for Rall. According to both, this was the only sortie they flied together. Hartmann tell morning hours of the day, Rall means that they flew in the afternoon.
One of the both didn't tell the true, seems that one of them has "only" 350 or 273 kills.
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