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Old 23rd July 2018, 10:50
Johannes Johannes is offline
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Re: Peter Duttmann vs "panzer"

Hi Stig

The term A.S.M was used from the start of the war, up until July 1942 the mikrofilms would list each Staffel's claims for the whole period, after July 1942 this became daily claims for all unit on the two fronts that included A.S.M claims, but a subsidiary microfilm using daily entries was used up until July 1942.
Could be that these A.S.M were dealt with by a different department to "clean" claims as at least JG 52 and JG 54's remain preserved collectively to each unit without any other non A.S.M or V.N.E claims, actually if anybody is interested they are available for purchase from Germany.
Regarding shared claims. there are a few(and only a few), all seem to be with JG 2 where two pilots sometimes shared the same claim details like aircraft type, altitude. time and most importantly the amerk nummer.

Regarding Bär and his own supposed total, in his flugbuch(copy) for the claim previously regarded are his 200th(by memory 22nd April 1944) is scribed "200" in a laurel leaf logo, no proof that this is his work as it is a copy, and somebody may have scribed this in, only to send somebody like myself a photocopied copy. Pilots varied in there flugbuch recording of there claims, I even have one where the pilots gives details of those he witnessed for others....and numbers them!

Kind Regards

Johannes
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